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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 792 Thanks: 108 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore | IMPORTANT : California Law SB435 Loud Motorcycle Exhaust Pipes
This message pertains to folks in California. Some of you may or may of not heard about changes to the California SB435 LAW changes concerning Loud Motorcycle Exhaust Pipes. Some of you may also of heard about certain dealers in California refusing to sell Termi' and other performance exhausts within the state of California due to fears about cops giving them $5000 fix it tickets. It looks like the LAW comes into power on the 1st January 2013. However, from 1983 performance exhausts must have a DOT approved sticker ? For us folks in California that means a TERM' has to have a sticker !!! I strongly recommend that if you have a performance exhaust then please get your understanding of the LAW straight as the 1199 Panigale with a term' is going to attract a lot of attention. Source : Here is the text of the law: SB 435, Pavley. Vehicles: pollution control devices. (1) Existing federal regulations require a motorcycle manufactured on and after January 1, 1983, and exhaust emission systems for those motorcycles, to meet specified noise emissions standards and require that a label be affixed onto the motorcycle or exhaust emission system indicating that the motorcycle or exhaust emission system meets the noise emissions standards. This bill would make it a crime for a person to park, use, or operate a motorcycle, registered in the state, that is manufactured on and after January 1, 2013, or a motorcycle, registered in the state, with aftermarket exhaust system equipment that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2013, that does not have the above label, and would make a violation of this provision punishable by a specified fine, thereby imposing a state-mandated local program by creating a new crime. The bill would require the person to whom a notice to appear is issued, or against whom a complaint is filed, for the above violation, to provide proof of correction. The bill would authorize a court to dismiss the penalty imposed for a first violation if the person produces proof of correction to the satisfaction of the court. (2) The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: Page 1 SECTION 1. Section 27202.1 is added to the Vehicle Code, to read: 27202.1. (a) Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not park, use, or operate a motorcycle, registered in the State of California, that does not bear the required applicable federal Environmental Protection Agency exhaust system label pursuant to Subparts D (commencing with Section 205.150) and E (commencing with Section 205.164) of Part 205 of Title 40 of the Code of Federal Regulations. A violation of this section shall be considered a mechanical violation and a peace officer shall not stop a motorcycle solely on a suspicion of a violation of this section. A peace officer shall cite a violation of this section as a secondary infraction. (b) A violation of this section is punishable as follows: (1) For a first conviction, by a fine of not less than fifty dollars ($50), nor more than one hundred dollars ($100). (2) For a second or subsequent conviction, by a fine of not less than one hundred dollars ($100), nor more than two hundred fifty dollars ($250). (c) (1) The notice to appear issued or complaint filed for a violation of this section shall require that the person to whom the notice to appear is issued, or against whom the complaint is filed, produce proof of correction pursuant to Section 40150. (2) Upon producing proof of correction to the satisfaction of the court, the court may dismiss the penalty imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) for a first violation of this section. (d) (1) This section is applicable to a person operating a motorcycle that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2013, or a motorcycle with aftermarket exhaust system equipment that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2013. (2) Penalties imposed pursuant to this section are in addition to penalties imposed pursuant to any other applicable laws or regulations. (3) This section does not supersede, negate, or otherwise alter any other applicable laws or regulations. SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution. Last edited by CaliDuc; June 12th, 2012 at 04:50 PM. |
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| Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Washington, DC Posts: 1,452 Thanks: 229 I Ride: Panigale Tri-Colore |
Holy shit that sucks man! Wonder how much that ticket is going to be when they start using it as PC to pull you over? Enough to make you want to move outta CA? Nah.
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| Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: East Bay Area, San Fran Posts: 271 Thanks: 3 |
I bought bike with dealer fitting Termi's in New Orleans and then promptly found I'm being transferred back to Ca - Tri valley area so we're nearly neighbors! - so does this apply to me bringing a bike into Ca or does it only apply to bikes sold in Ca? PS - I haven't read the whole article so apologies if it makes it clear. |
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| Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: San Francisco Posts: 219 Thanks: 1 I Ride: Ducati: S4RS Tricolore, 1199S Tricolore; Triumph: Tiger 1050, Thunderbird 1700 |
Hmm. Looks like I need to upgrade my printer and get some stickers churned out! But, fortunately, The Man can't pull you over just because he thinks your bike is too loud - he has to nab you for something else like speeding or failure to signal or splitting lanes too fast THEN nail you for your/our modded, unstickerfied pipes But, this may be a money maker given all the exhaust modded bikes on the road. Keep your stock pipes and cans - just in case. And all you dagnabbin hooligans better keep your loud scoots out of Piedmont, Sausalito and Tiburon! Last edited by iiiofiv; June 12th, 2012 at 05:21 PM. |
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| Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: San Francisco Posts: 219 Thanks: 1 I Ride: Ducati: S4RS Tricolore, 1199S Tricolore; Triumph: Tiger 1050, Thunderbird 1700 | Quote:
If you are not military, you're screwed because you have to pay California sales tax on the purchase price in order to register it. I think if the vehicle is less than two years old it's original purchase price and value price if it is greater than two years old. YEP. You will end up paying sales tax twice if you are already registered outside CA. Check out http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm for more details. Welcome and let us know when you get here. We'll start a NORCAL/SOCAL Panigale thread. | |
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| Junior Member Joined: May 2012 From: los angeles Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 I Ride: ducati 1199s and honda cbr 1000rr |
*note that it says bike purchased after Jan. 1 2013, so if you have your bike now and already fitted your exhaust your good. |
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| Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: Albuquerque, NM & Bavaria Germany Posts: 386 Thanks: 24 I Ride: 2007 S4RS, 2008 1098S (sold), 2013 1199R |
The Europeans had the (dis)pleasure of dealing with this issue for some time already. CA seems to have raised their hand when it comes to be a proofing ground for more restrictive policies. I'm OK with that as long as you keep it there ![]() |
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| Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: perth.wa.au Posts: 312 Thanks: 0 |
Western Australia is currently going through another motorcycle blitz. This time, they're targeting loud exhausts. Word is, they're testing to 96db, even though some bikes are delivered louder than that, the Pani is around 105. But, state law can't overrule federal law, so I'll tell them to get fucked on that front. But, what they CAN do, regardless of whether they're right or wrong, is issue you with an unroadworthy notice if they suspect (don't have to prove) that something is amiss. Quote:
As part of this blitz (in West Aus), they're issuing (leaving) 'unroadworthy' certificates on bikes that aren't even moving/running, and the owner isn't even present! The result of which, is time off work to get to the inspection centre which is only open during business hours and not on weekends, $100 for the inspection at the inspection centre, plus time to revert anything else that might be illegal, back to stock - like those snow plough fenders. All within a week. If you get caught riding your 'unroadworthy' bike in that time, they can impound your bike. The politicians, and traffic cops here should die in a fire! Fucking arseholes. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: Albuquerque, NM & Bavaria Germany Posts: 386 Thanks: 24 I Ride: 2007 S4RS, 2008 1098S (sold), 2013 1199R | Quote:
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| Member Joined: May 2012 From: Denver Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 2012 Panigale S ABS |
CA has so many ridiculous laws.
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| Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: LA to SF to NY and Back Posts: 597 Thanks: 169 |
I was wondering just how loud the Panigale was....105 seems about right. With stock exhaust it's far louder than my Leo Vince'd 675.
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 792 Thanks: 108 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore |
I guess having a 1199 bike and being a LIFE Member of the California 1199 Foundation is kind of slightly ironic.
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| Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: san diego Posts: 60 Thanks: 10 I Ride: 1199 panigale + ABS |
I can't imagine them enforcing this law, they would have to get ride of 90% of the harleys and that is an American institution...
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| Member Joined: May 2012 From: Oregon Posts: 79 Thanks: 4 I Ride: 1199 Panigale S | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: perth.wa.au Posts: 312 Thanks: 0 |
If it makes my ears bleed when those twats with the straight through systems ride past, for all of about 3 seconds, how the hell do they sit on top of them and not feel like it's some form of torture? My ears would be ringing for weeks.
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| Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: my garage Posts: 1,308 Thanks: 149 I Ride: oh yes, I do!!! | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Dubai UAE Posts: 460 Thanks: 11 I Ride: 1199 Panigale S Tricolore and an 848 |
I think my bike has a sticker on the headstock (next to the VIN) that says it's tested to 104 Db. You guys not got one of those???
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 792 Thanks: 108 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: The Whales Vagina Posts: 242 Thanks: 1 I Ride: 1199 Base/ABS | Quote:
When reading the section, the things that stuck out the most to me were these two snippits: "A violation of this section shall be considered a mechanical violation and a peace officer shall not stop a motorcycle solely on a suspicion of a violation of this section. A peace officer shall cite a violation of this section as a secondary infraction." "This section is applicable to a person operating a motorcycle that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2013, or a motorcycle with aftermarket exhaust system equipment that is manufactured on or after January 1, 2013." Like someone else already pointed out, cops are not supposed to pull you over solely for loud pipes, they have to pull you over for something else. The shitty part about it is you will get a ticket with two infractions on it instead of one if he/she were to pull you over just for loud pipes. The second snippit means your motorcycle has to be manufactured after Jan 1, 2013, or your current bike is fitted with pipes that are manufactured after Jan 1, 2013. So, basically, our 2012 and older bikes should be ok, BUT make sure to buy your pipes either before Jan 1, 2013 or make sure they were manufactured before that date when purchasing them. Your pipes are supposed to have some "label" affixed to them. Current federal law says our pipes are supposed to have "a label affixed onto the motorcycle or exhaust emission system indicating that the motorcycle or exhaust emission system meets the noise emissions standards". If you read CVC 23130(a)(2), it says your bike's exhaust isnt to exceed 86 dbA. Basically, the state is making it damn near impossible to have an aftermarket exhaust. The bill that is taking effect in January sounds like it is reitterating current law, but making it more specific. My advice, don't ride like a dick and don't be a dick to the cop if/when you get pulled over. 9 times out of 10 if you are respectful, honest, and aplogetic to the cop, he likely won't give you a ticket. Unless you get pulled over by CHP, then you're fucked. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 792 Thanks: 108 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore | Quote:
I very much agree with all your observations. As you state "If you read CVC 23130(a)(2), it says your bike's exhaust isnt to exceed 86 dbA", so that may be an issue for a Panigale with TERM' anywhere in California !!! I am indeed a Life Member of the 1199 Foundation. I am aware that driving like a dick will almost certainly get one booted out the foundation. Last edited by CaliDuc; June 13th, 2012 at 08:05 AM. | |
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