mark419ny

ok so here is how my phone call went with akrapovic yesterday. I and I also assume many of you are wondering about an akrapovic system for the 1199 so i finally gave them a call to find out for myself and here are the answers. Yes Akra is doing a full exhaust system for the 1199. They are coming out in November and it will be a full system. The system is going to be all titanium. They do not know if they will be doing just slip ons (i assume they will). As far as the ecu flash goes, I was told that Akra systems are made to run without any type of flashing or power commands but remapping wouldnt hurt the system either. What do you guys think about that? The price will be in the 4k range for the full system but that wasnt firm just speculation. I know if am ready to get a full system termi akra whatever i wouldnt want stainless steal (termi) pipes i mean the stock system is stainless steal.

Kam

I definitely want an Akro system and glad its going to be Ti.

My only concern is about the mapping. I'm a bit surprised they are saying it will be fine with a standard map.

duckyduc

agreed with Kam, it will run rough wo proper mapping

Shawn

We all know they are going to offer something with the remap, because can't delete the exhaust valve after installing a full system without throwing out an error code.

Delta One

Interesting, and I'd certainly consider an Akra system in Ti , but as above the lack of ECU/remap worries me.

At the suggested price it's nearly the same as a Termi system developed with Corse engineers and guaranteed performance increase, so I'd worry I was getting a 2nd best option with no real power increase if there wasn't a remap atleast.

Ray916MN

It is hard to imagine a full exhaust system that can deliver significant performance gains that will not significantly impact fueling. These types of statements (which have typically been made with respect to slip ons) have historically meant, you get more style and little performance improvement.

Then again, there is the commercial reality. If you think Akra understands performance, then how does this jive with an ambivalent statement like it will work without remapping but remapping wouldn't hurt? To maximize performance, would you design a system with the objective of having it work well with stock fueling, or would you design a system to maximize flow and optimize back pressure, fueling be damned? Why would Akra, a company which understands performance makes such an ambivalent statement? If you were Akra would you let the lack of a good ECU remapping solution for the 1199 get in the way of you selling high priced exhaust systems, or would you simply say, it will work without remapping.....

As trick and beautiful as the Akra stuff is without a remapping solution the performance gains are likely to be limited. For those who are buying for the bling factor, this won't be a problem. For those looking for performance, patience is the answer. The cost of remapping solutions is relatively inexpensive compared to the cost of these exhaust systems. In the absence of a remapping solution, it makes little sense to me to commit the larger dollars for an exhaust system, unless all you're after is bling.

Delta One

LOL, What Ray said !!! (and so very much more eloquent than me , I would add!! )

MadeinItaly

I guess you have not read the thread from AR. The full Termi is putting out less HP then stock.
I agree the Akra at the same price point as the Termi with no mapping at all is crazy.

All I can say is they see the Pani owners as people with money to burn. If this system was for a Suzuki it would be half the price. I had a full Brocks Ti on my Hayabusa for much less.
I say for myself, I am going to hold off until I have all my choices in front of me and the mapping is down as well as the price. Why rush when the bike is plenty loud, plenty fast and almost perfect.
No exhaust is worth the price point so far.

Kam

With a potential November release date most UK owners will hold out until next year as the weather is not the best here come winter time.

Hopefully by the time I order mine there will be lots of options around mapping to maximise the Akro system.

mark419ny

i agree with a lot of what has been said on this post. i didnt get the full termi because i want to see what the full options out there will be. I also would not get the akra system without a remap. hopefully akra will have both because in my opinion if they have a remap and its full Ti system its a no brainer (akra>termi) without a remap (termi>akra but would kill me to buy another set of SS pipes just with bigger headers). Maybe Just Titanium slip on who knows. My final question what happened to the performance airfilter that use to come with the full termi system for the 1198. do we no longer need an airfilter upgrade for the 1199?

Rich22

Its worth just waiting. This bike is very complex with the limited space for silencers and pipework. We are at the tooling stage for the silencers. Our full system will be in Inconel with titanium silencers. The very best fuelling solution will be the PCV which we expect to come around the same time as our slip on silencers and full systems. Estimate 6 weeks.

Ray916MN

I suspect that when positive pressure induction comes into play, the importance of a free flowing air filter diminishes. Without positive pressure on the intake side, intake pressure across an air filter is limited to the vacuum of pistons descending. Ram air creates additional pressure across the air filter, increasing flow, so air filter restriction becomes less important relatively to intake flow. While a less restrictive air filter can't hurt flow, it also implicitly comes with the trade off of less effective filtering.

So, with ram air, you get less benefit from reduced air filter restriction, but you get the same sacrifice in filtering. You get less benefit for the same trade off, making air filters mods less worthwhile.

mark419ny

thanks rich and ray

Justifire

Did anyone ever get an ECU with his Akrapovic system for Ducati ?
As far as i know Akra doesnt deliver ECU's
At least i didn't got one with the 999 and 1098 systems, had my ECU's reflashed on the Dyno.

Nice fact that i know is that Ducati Zaltbommel provided a Panigale S to Akrapovic to build the full system, this was in April.

George Villar

Termi full system is still the best option due to the re-flash IMHO, I really do not believe a 1199 would make less HP with a full system! Probably dyno'd incorrectly or by the producer of other exhaust systems competing with Termi.

mark419ny

justifire no akra never did a flash for any of the ducati systems they produced. the system is suppose to run fine without it although a reflash would make it even better thats what the rep said.

Beanflicker

Really?

Personally I don't agree.

Do you have a full Termi on your bike and can say for definite?

Have you back to back tested, with and without up-loads currently available?

And would you be referring to anyone manufacturer in particular?

And be willing to tell or say to the dyno operative that he doesn't know what he's doing.?


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TransNone13

It runs much better with a custom map. I had an Akra on my CBR1000RR and a Bazzaz FI with AFM tuning module. It ended up adding a lot of fuel and made a HUGE difference. Screw these remaps, get a piggyback ECU and wideband O2 sensor module.

Valen75

Just my 2 cents, you can delete the exhaust valve without any error code (my exhaust valve motor is even somewhere in a box)

Wallaroo

Nothing against AR as I think they are doing a awesome job in getting their gear on the market for the 1199. There was even 2 guys at the shop from England raving about the AR system

But I have seen graphs from AMS Texas, Frasers Sydney and a independent tester and they all got increased power with the full system and up map.

Once I get my bike I will also do some tests and put up some graphs.