BMW won it again.

1199sSF · July 23rd, 2012, 12:27 PM

rm4two · July 23rd, 2012, 12:29 PM

Can we please stop beating this dead horse?

CaliDuc · July 23rd, 2012, 12:31 PM

The BMW S1000RR is an awesome bike, however in my personal opinion I believe the 1199 to be a totally different experience and as such it is hard to do a 'versus' comparison.

Either way, like a fair few on this forum I am probably north of $40K+ investment in the 1199 and I am totally happy with it.

Torquesp · July 23rd, 2012, 01:41 PM

+1 Same here.....

SPJ · July 23rd, 2012, 01:48 PM

Bet the S1000RR won't win

- Most desirable sports bike
- Best looking sports bike
- Best sounding sports bike
- Most comfortable sports bike

It may win

- Fastest round the track
- Angela Merkel lookalike contest

Performance of both bikes are more than you can use on the road, know which I'd rather own!

tstephenson · July 23rd, 2012, 02:59 PM

I think there is a thread showing the Pani on top of the racing scene in UK

RSR racer · July 23rd, 2012, 03:44 PM

Dear BMW / Ducati 1199 Panigale Comparo Motorcycle media Gurus:

Allow me to vent and Such for a moment or two

Your comparisons (no matter who is reporting) always have the same "buzz words"...

....Beemer needs less rider input, doesn't need to be ridden at 10/10ths, It's easier to ride overall, blah blah blah....Vanilla ice cream all day every day!

Your comparisons and reporting equates to, IMHO, a NON-sport bike experience. Where, someone please tell me, is the SPORT, in easier to ride, needs no commitment, needs less input, etc??

If I wanted a Luxury, no rider input needed, zero thrills, no taking it to the edge ride; then I would probably have gotten the BMW.

I LIKE the SPORT aspect of a sports bike!! Where is your view on that aspect?

Your reports are replete with the same wording as in auto comparisons of the GT-R Vs any Porsche GT3....easier to drive fast, no input needed, no feedback indicated, practically drives itself....it's plagiarism of motor sport in general and the dumbing down of the whole SPORT experience overall.

Do you need the technical advances of the machine to iron out all of the wrinkles of your poor riding abilities so you can say you went fast at the track?

I NEED and WANT the sense of being on the "edge" and taking it to "10/10ths" to extract the feedback that puts the adrenaline in my heart and the vitality in my soul!! I LOVE knowing that without my Responses to the bike's feedback, that I may well be down for the count. THAT IS SPORT RIDING!! For me anyway.

That is the essence of a SPORT BIKE.

Your reports are bereft of an ounce of the meaning of SPORT BIKE and are the drivel of an automaton which regurgitates whatever your editors and the manufacturers demand.

When I need a f*%king robot that will let me ride fast without my input, I will get a BMW wheelchair.

Until then; I will continue to search for my ultimate man/machine connection through the only brand that let's one take that chance and challenge himself every damn time he straddles his Ducati!!

Thank you.

MMC · July 23rd, 2012, 03:48 PM

That's awesome

As is the "Angela Merkel" note!

zaster · July 23rd, 2012, 04:05 PM

Thanks for the post....interesting stuff

RSR racer · July 23rd, 2012, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMC

That's awesome

As is the "Angela Merkel" note!

Thanks and welcome to the best 1199 site.

flobrandx · July 23rd, 2012, 07:40 PM

Good stuff RSR! Loved your review of the reviewers.

desmodromic system · July 23rd, 2012, 11:33 PM

I just hope that the Panigale will do good in wsbk. it will shut these journalist up. now if the panigale fails . it will really be bad for Ducati. If I were Ken kunitsigi, I will focus my attention in loosing weight. he looks so fat in the video.

Nikt · July 23rd, 2012, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1199sSF

Ducati 1199 Panigale S vs BMW S1000RR

How many SBK world championships won in that of Munich?

I think BMW is shitting its pants, considering that next year the 1199 will probably make it to the WSBK....they've got quite close to the 1098 and now they have to do everything again...

so....marketing is the only weapon left

http://www.worldsbk.com/en/season/champions.html

supduc10 · July 23rd, 2012, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSR racer

Dear BMW / Ducati 1199 Panigale Comparo Motorcycle media Gurus:

Allow me to vent and Such for a moment or two

Your comparisons (no matter who is reporting) always have the same "buzz words"...

....Beemer needs less rider input, doesn't need to be ridden at 10/10ths, It's easier to ride overall, blah blah blah....Vanilla ice cream all day every day!

Your comparisons and reporting equates to, IMHO, a NON-sport bike experience. Where, someone please tell me, is the SPORT, in easier to ride, needs no commitment, needs less input, etc??

If I wanted a Luxury, no rider input needed, zero thrills, no taking it to the edge ride; then I would probably have gotten the BMW.

I LIKE the SPORT aspect of a sports bike!! Where is your view on that aspect?

Your reports are replete with the same wording as in auto comparisons of the GT-R Vs any Porsche GT3....easier to drive fast, no input needed, no feedback indicated, practically drives itself....it's plagiarism of motor sport in general and the dumbing down of the whole SPORT experience overall.

Do you need the technical advances of the machine to iron out all of the wrinkles of your poor riding abilities so you can say you went fast at the track?

I NEED and WANT the sense of being on the "edge" and taking it to "10/10ths" to extract the feedback that puts the adrenaline in my heart and the vitality in my soul!! I LOVE knowing that without my Responses to the bike's feedback, that I may well be down for the count. THAT IS SPORT RIDING!! For me anyway.

That is the essence of a SPORT BIKE.

Your reports are bereft of an ounce of the meaning of SPORT BIKE and are the drivel of an automaton which regurgitates whatever your editors and the manufacturers demand.

When I need a f*%king robot that will let me ride fast without my input, I will get a BMW wheelchair.

Until then; I will continue to search for my ultimate man/machine connection through the only brand that let's one take that chance and challenge himself every damn time he straddles his Ducati!!

Thank you.

Hahaha,fuckin ace. Great reply. I was just thinkin last night about a ride I did on sunday with some mates in North Wales,travelled some roads i"d never been on and got smoked by my mates, I am still running in by the way lol. Anyway my buckeroo of a Panigale had me out the seat as much as in it. It was trying to kill me literally and i savoured every moment. Personality it has in buckets,I love it and I aint ever goin back to a jap bike or any other make. Ducati make motorcycles only and put everything into that pursuit. They dont make cars,oil tankers,generators or planes, Ducs are the real deal totally undiluted.

Delta One · July 24th, 2012, 01:55 AM

+ many for RSR racer! Great write up!

Scotsdude · July 24th, 2012, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSR racer

Dear BMW / Ducati 1199 Panigale Comparo Motorcycle media Gurus:

Allow me to vent and Such for a moment or two

Your comparisons (no matter who is reporting) always have the same "buzz words"...

....Beemer needs less rider input, doesn't need to be ridden at 10/10ths, It's easier to ride overall, blah blah blah....Vanilla ice cream all day every day!

Your comparisons and reporting equates to, IMHO, a NON-sport bike experience. Where, someone please tell me, is the SPORT, in easier to ride, needs no commitment, needs less input, etc??

If I wanted a Luxury, no rider input needed, zero thrills, no taking it to the edge ride; then I would probably have gotten the BMW.

I LIKE the SPORT aspect of a sports bike!! Where is your view on that aspect?

Your reports are replete with the same wording as in auto comparisons of the GT-R Vs any Porsche GT3....easier to drive fast, no input needed, no feedback indicated, practically drives itself....it's plagiarism of motor sport in general and the dumbing down of the whole SPORT experience overall.

Do you need the technical advances of the machine to iron out all of the wrinkles of your poor riding abilities so you can say you went fast at the track?

I NEED and WANT the sense of being on the "edge" and taking it to "10/10ths" to extract the feedback that puts the adrenaline in my heart and the vitality in my soul!! I LOVE knowing that without my Responses to the bike's feedback, that I may well be down for the count. THAT IS SPORT RIDING!! For me anyway.

That is the essence of a SPORT BIKE.

Your reports are bereft of an ounce of the meaning of SPORT BIKE and are the drivel of an automaton which regurgitates whatever your editors and the manufacturers demand.

When I need a f*%king robot that will let me ride fast without my input, I will get a BMW wheelchair.

Until then; I will continue to search for my ultimate man/machine connection through the only brand that let's one take that chance and challenge himself every damn time he straddles his Ducati!!

Thank you.

+1
Well said

Zaid1199 · July 24th, 2012, 04:27 AM

Very Nice explanation RSR Racer, truth be told when was the last time BMW won ANY superbike races? If any at all?? Maybe the next time the editors do the testing they should get someone who isn't afraid to drive the PISS out of a ducati, rather, a rider who has no limits to push the bike as far as it will take them.

HAVE A NICE DAY BMW

Ducati 1199 riders!

rm4two · July 24th, 2012, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaid1199

....truth be told when was the last time BMW won ANY superbike races? If any at all?? ....

Clearly you don't watch the World Superbike Series lol. BMW has 5 total WSBK wins in it's existence, all by Melandri this year, but no major championships to date

mark419ny · July 24th, 2012, 07:36 AM

yea back to back wins for Melandri on sunday in wsbk. That and a metro card can get me on the train though. All these bikes are so close performance wise so i got the best looking most desirable bike in my opinion. Im quite sure none of these riders are 215 lbs either. Bottom line if the keys to an r1 bmw ninja gxsr and 1199 were on a table and you can take any set what are you going with i would have to say most people will take the duc keys

rm4two · July 24th, 2012, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark419ny

yea back to back wins for Melandri on sunday in wsbk. That and a metro card can get me on the train though. All these bikes are so close performance wise so i got the best looking most desirable bike in my opinion. Im quite sure none of these riders are 215 lbs either. Bottom line if the keys to an r1 bmw ninja gxsr and 1199 were on a table and you can take any set what are you going with i would have to say most people will take the duc keys

What no love for CBRs, RC8s, MV F4s or RSV4s? hahaha. I'll take the 1199 keys thank you very much

July 23rd, 2012, 12:27 PM	#1
1199sSF Junior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: San Francisco Posts: 11 Thanks: 0	BMW won it again. Ducati 1199 Panigale S vs BMW S1000RR

July 23rd, 2012, 03:44 PM	#7
RSR racer Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Long Island, NY Posts: 764 Thanks: 104 I Ride: '13 Panigale R '12 1199S/ABS, '12 Multistrada S, '09 1098R Bayliss LE, 1998 custom rigid chopper	Enough already Dear BMW / Ducati 1199 Panigale Comparo Motorcycle media Gurus: Allow me to vent and Such for a moment or two Your comparisons (no matter who is reporting) always have the same "buzz words"... ....Beemer needs less rider input, doesn't need to be ridden at 10/10ths, It's easier to ride overall, blah blah blah....Vanilla ice cream all day every day! Your comparisons and reporting equates to, IMHO, a NON-sport bike experience. Where, someone please tell me, is the SPORT, in easier to ride, needs no commitment, needs less input, etc?? If I wanted a Luxury, no rider input needed, zero thrills, no taking it to the edge ride; then I would probably have gotten the BMW. I LIKE the SPORT aspect of a sports bike!! Where is your view on that aspect? Your reports are replete with the same wording as in auto comparisons of the GT-R Vs any Porsche GT3....easier to drive fast, no input needed, no feedback indicated, practically drives itself....it's plagiarism of motor sport in general and the dumbing down of the whole SPORT experience overall. Do you need the technical advances of the machine to iron out all of the wrinkles of your poor riding abilities so you can say you went fast at the track? I NEED and WANT the sense of being on the "edge" and taking it to "10/10ths" to extract the feedback that puts the adrenaline in my heart and the vitality in my soul!! I LOVE knowing that without my Responses to the bike's feedback, that I may well be down for the count. THAT IS SPORT RIDING!! For me anyway. That is the essence of a SPORT BIKE. Your reports are bereft of an ounce of the meaning of SPORT BIKE and are the drivel of an automaton which regurgitates whatever your editors and the manufacturers demand. When I need a f*%king robot that will let me ride fast without my input, I will get a BMW wheelchair. Until then; I will continue to search for my ultimate man/machine connection through the only brand that let's one take that chance and challenge himself every damn time he straddles his Ducati!! Thank you.

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July 23rd, 2012, 12:29 PM	#2
rm4two Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 790 Thanks: 75 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	Can we please stop beating this dead horse?

July 23rd, 2012, 12:31 PM	#3
CaliDuc Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 804 Thanks: 112 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore	The BMW S1000RR is an awesome bike, however in my personal opinion I believe the 1199 to be a totally different experience and as such it is hard to do a 'versus' comparison. Either way, like a fair few on this forum I am probably north of $40K+ investment in the 1199 and I am totally happy with it.

July 23rd, 2012, 01:41 PM	#4
Torquesp Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: New York Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 I Ride: DUCATI 1199 S TRI ,Ducati 1198 SP 2011, Suzuki GSXR 1000 K6	+1 Same here.....

July 23rd, 2012, 01:48 PM	#5
SPJ Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: England Posts: 186 Thanks: 21	Bet the S1000RR won't win - Most desirable sports bike - Best looking sports bike - Best sounding sports bike - Most comfortable sports bike It may win - Fastest round the track - Angela Merkel lookalike contest Performance of both bikes are more than you can use on the road, know which I'd rather own!

July 23rd, 2012, 02:59 PM	#6
tstephenson Senior Member Joined: Dec 2011 From: Lone Tree CO Posts: 467 Thanks: 3 I Ride: 2012 1199 Panigale Tri	I think there is a thread showing the Pani on top of the racing scene in UK

July 23rd, 2012, 03:48 PM	#8
MMC Junior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Alaska Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 1199 Tricolore, '12 MTS Pikes Peak	That's awesome As is the "Angela Merkel" note!

July 23rd, 2012, 04:05 PM	#9
zaster Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: Albuquerque, NM & Bavaria Germany Posts: 393 Thanks: 27 I Ride: 2007 S4RS, 2008 1098S (sold), 2013 1199R	Thanks for the post....interesting stuff

July 23rd, 2012, 07:40 PM	#11
flobrandx Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Battle Ground,WA Posts: 594 Thanks: 39 I Ride: 1199 Panigale S Tricolore	Good stuff RSR! Loved your review of the reviewers.

July 23rd, 2012, 11:33 PM	#12
desmodromic system Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Manila Philippines Posts: 103 Thanks: 6 I Ride: 1199 Panigale R, BMW SKRR	I just hope that the Panigale will do good in wsbk. it will shut these journalist up. now if the panigale fails . it will really be bad for Ducati. If I were Ken kunitsigi, I will focus my attention in loosing weight. he looks so fat in the video.

July 24th, 2012, 01:55 AM	#15
Delta One Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Dubai UAE Posts: 462 Thanks: 11 I Ride: 1199 Panigale S Tricolore and an 848	+ many for RSR racer! Great write up!

July 24th, 2012, 04:27 AM	#17
Zaid1199 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: MA Posts: 278 Thanks: 15 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	Very Nice explanation RSR Racer, truth be told when was the last time BMW won ANY superbike races? If any at all?? Maybe the next time the editors do the testing they should get someone who isn't afraid to drive the PISS out of a ducati, rather, a rider who has no limits to push the bike as far as it will take them. HAVE A NICE DAY BMW Ducati 1199 riders!

July 24th, 2012, 07:36 AM	#19
mark419ny Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: New York Posts: 814 Thanks: 123 I Ride: 1199 s abs	yea back to back wins for Melandri on sunday in wsbk. That and a metro card can get me on the train though. All these bikes are so close performance wise so i got the best looking most desirable bike in my opinion. Im quite sure none of these riders are 215 lbs either. Bottom line if the keys to an r1 bmw ninja gxsr and 1199 were on a table and you can take any set what are you going with i would have to say most people will take the duc keys