No Ethanol Gas makes a BIG difference

d1098man · August 5th, 2012, 01:24 PM

If you are one of the lucky states with no ethanol gas stations, like Pa, U HAVE TO TRY IT IN UR 1199! I noticed a big difference on grunt and top end! Im not going to even try to prove it....you must try it for yourself.....its really that good!!!

MadeinItaly · August 5th, 2012, 02:53 PM

My local shop has 101 octane fuel. Have not used it yet but considering.

RSR racer · August 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM

We cannot get non-ethanol based petrol around here. There is a product called Ethanol Defense by Bell that is suppose to reverse the effects and it's watermissues without alcohol. Has anyone here ever tried it?

I have noticed many marinas sell non ethanol based gas...I will check my marina tomorrow and find out.

How bad is ethanol for our 1199's over time? Maybe has something to do with numerous bad starting bikes and heat issues with the water complications? Just wondering...any petrol engineers out there who can chime in on the topic?

hdobhal · August 5th, 2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadeinItaly

My local shop has 101 octane fuel. Have not used it yet but considering.

I use 93 thats the highest I have seen in my city.

LarryG · August 5th, 2012, 02:59 PM

I was up in Georgia last month for about a week and used non ethanol gas while I was there and did noticed better gas mileage from the Pani

They only had it at selected gas stations and was 90 octane

gnance · August 5th, 2012, 03:03 PM

you guys should look into some of the commercial trucking stations. Out in washington, they have a number of pumps called "pacific pride". You have to open an account with them before you can pump gas. They give you a card and then bill you every 2 weeks. They offer ethanol free gas and some of the places have race gas as well. I always fill up there....at least for my motorcycles.

Gulf Coast · August 5th, 2012, 03:08 PM

Did you know ethanol has a far higher octane value than gas? The main problem with it, apart from being very hydroscopic (attracts water very easily) is that if you use it in an engine that is not frequently used it can and will form gums that mess the engine up. Official papers have recently been released stating these facts so it'll be interesting to see if it remains the greens choice of fuel!!
PS - I work in refineries for an oil major just to give the above some credibility!!

RSR racer · August 5th, 2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gulf Coast

Did you know ethanol has a far higher octane value than gas? The main problem with it, apart from being very hydroscopic (attracts water very easily) is that if you use it in an engine that is not frequently used it can and will form gums that mess the engine up. Official papers have recently been released stating these facts so it'll be interesting to see if it remains the greens choice of fuel!!
PS - I work in refineries for an oil major just to give the above some credibility!!

Doesnt the hydroscopic property decease the octane over time as moisture builds up?

In marine applications, fuel tanks are vented, accelerating the accumulation of water. How prevalent is it in our supposedly closed systems on our bikes. With Bikes that are taken out on the weekends only, could they yet developed moisture issues?

LarryG · August 5th, 2012, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RSR racer

We cannot get non-ethanol based petrol around here. There is a product called Ethanol Defense by Bell that is suppose to reverse the effects and it's watermissues without alcohol. Has anyone here ever tried it?

I have noticed many marinas sell non ethanol based gas...I will check my marina tomorrow and find out.

How bad is ethanol for our 1199's over time? Maybe has something to do with numerous bad starting bikes and heat issues with the water complications? Just wondering...any petrol engineers out there who can chime in on the topic?

The marinas here in Florida are not allowed to sell to anyone not having a boat, tried several times and was told NO, because they would be fined heavily if caught selling it.

RSR racer · August 5th, 2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LarryG

The marinas here in Florida are not allowed to sell to anyone not having a boat, tried several times and was told NO, because they would be fined heavily if caught selling it.

Tell them you have a jet ski, maybe and bring a nice set of 5 gallon jugs that you need to fill up to get out onto the lakes with

LarryG · August 5th, 2012, 03:24 PM

I guess great minds think alike.lol.. tried that already at different marinas and they all say the same thing, the watercraft has to be present for the sale of the fuel, no containers.

MadeinItaly · August 5th, 2012, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdobhal

I use 93 thats the highest I have seen in my city.

Its racing VP gas. they sell one type (forgot the name) for sportbikes. I'm wondering if its safe to use on the pani.

d1098man · August 5th, 2012, 03:57 PM

That sucks for the people that only ride on the weekends lol....how do u resist the urge lol

d1098man · August 5th, 2012, 04:04 PM

I also agree about that better mpg on non ethanol fuel

RSR racer · August 5th, 2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by d1098man

That sucks for the people that only ride on the weekends lol....how do u resist the urge lol

Just to clarify, I'm doing about 300 miles per week and another 1-200 weekends weather permitting. I was referring to the guys who state they have minimal use and the poss hard starts as a result of ethanol based fuel water accumulation.

Yes..it's a crime to let them sit...(said the guy with the GT3 RS sitting on it's lift with cobwebs since the Pani showed up!

)

AntiHero · August 5th, 2012, 05:20 PM

I've only been able to get ethanol-free gas at a few stations since leaving CA. At first I was very concerned, as every place in SD, WY, MN and CO seems to have 10% ethanol. It's crap--based on everything I've read--but I've done about the past 3000 miles with the stuff and have experienced no ill effects. (Total of 5100 miles and counting).

d1098man · August 5th, 2012, 05:39 PM

Im glad there are some people out there riding these beasts....n i have never experienced any issues with ethanol.....all im saying is try filling up without it....you dont know what ur missing if you haven't tried it out

hdobhal · August 5th, 2012, 06:26 PM

in the owner's manual Ducati has suggested to use fuel with at least octane rating of 90 or above.

DucSyd · August 5th, 2012, 06:52 PM

I had no idea the USA used ethanol based fuels so much, here in Australia we have a choice which includes low octane ethanol based ( 90 - 92), then mid no ethanol (95) mainly for high performance European cars etc, and we also have a premium fuel which is 98 octane. This is all I use in my bikes, and is excellent. I can' t even imagine running this engine on the low octane ethanol fuels, but I assume Ducati do something to allow them to run on this fuel in the USA.? Could explain why some countries get different "fueling issues"? Even running between brands can make a difference.

AntiHero · August 5th, 2012, 07:41 PM

Ethanol and Octane ratings should be separated. You can have high octane with no ethanol and low octane with ethanol. USA uses ethanol only because corn-farming lobbyists have wrapped a nice "made in USA" bow around corn-based fuels so they can make more money. Ethanol is to cars as High Fructose Corn Syrup is to bodies.

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d1098man Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: philly Posts: 217 Thanks: 9 I Ride: 2012 Ducati 1199 Base and 2005 Ducati 749	No Ethanol Gas makes a BIG difference If you are one of the lucky states with no ethanol gas stations, like Pa, U HAVE TO TRY IT IN UR 1199! I noticed a big difference on grunt and top end! Im not going to even try to prove it....you must try it for yourself.....its really that good!!! Last edited by d1098man; August 5th, 2012 at 01:28 PM.

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August 5th, 2012, 02:53 PM	#2
MadeinItaly Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Florida Posts: 255 Thanks: 6 I Ride: Panigale S/Abs Honda CBR1000RR Repsol	My local shop has 101 octane fuel. Have not used it yet but considering.

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RSR racer Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Long Island, NY Posts: 764 Thanks: 104 I Ride: '13 Panigale R '12 1199S/ABS, '12 Multistrada S, '09 1098R Bayliss LE, 1998 custom rigid chopper	We cannot get non-ethanol based petrol around here. There is a product called Ethanol Defense by Bell that is suppose to reverse the effects and it's watermissues without alcohol. Has anyone here ever tried it? I have noticed many marinas sell non ethanol based gas...I will check my marina tomorrow and find out. How bad is ethanol for our 1199's over time? Maybe has something to do with numerous bad starting bikes and heat issues with the water complications? Just wondering...any petrol engineers out there who can chime in on the topic?

August 5th, 2012, 02:59 PM	#5
LarryG Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: South Fla Posts: 129 Thanks: 1 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	I was up in Georgia last month for about a week and used non ethanol gas while I was there and did noticed better gas mileage from the Pani They only had it at selected gas stations and was 90 octane

August 5th, 2012, 03:03 PM	#6
gnance Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Longview Posts: 141 Thanks: 28	you guys should look into some of the commercial trucking stations. Out in washington, they have a number of pumps called "pacific pride". You have to open an account with them before you can pump gas. They give you a card and then bill you every 2 weeks. They offer ethanol free gas and some of the places have race gas as well. I always fill up there....at least for my motorcycles.

August 5th, 2012, 03:08 PM	#7
Gulf Coast Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: East Bay Area, San Fran Posts: 272 Thanks: 3	Did you know ethanol has a far higher octane value than gas? The main problem with it, apart from being very hydroscopic (attracts water very easily) is that if you use it in an engine that is not frequently used it can and will form gums that mess the engine up. Official papers have recently been released stating these facts so it'll be interesting to see if it remains the greens choice of fuel!! PS - I work in refineries for an oil major just to give the above some credibility!!

August 5th, 2012, 03:24 PM	#11
LarryG Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: South Fla Posts: 129 Thanks: 1 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	I guess great minds think alike.lol.. tried that already at different marinas and they all say the same thing, the watercraft has to be present for the sale of the fuel, no containers.

August 5th, 2012, 03:57 PM	#13
d1098man Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: philly Posts: 217 Thanks: 9 I Ride: 2012 Ducati 1199 Base and 2005 Ducati 749	That sucks for the people that only ride on the weekends lol....how do u resist the urge lol

August 5th, 2012, 04:04 PM	#14
d1098man Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: philly Posts: 217 Thanks: 9 I Ride: 2012 Ducati 1199 Base and 2005 Ducati 749	I also agree about that better mpg on non ethanol fuel

August 5th, 2012, 05:20 PM	#16
AntiHero Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: LA to SF to NY and Back Posts: 608 Thanks: 172	I've only been able to get ethanol-free gas at a few stations since leaving CA. At first I was very concerned, as every place in SD, WY, MN and CO seems to have 10% ethanol. It's crap--based on everything I've read--but I've done about the past 3000 miles with the stuff and have experienced no ill effects. (Total of 5100 miles and counting).

August 5th, 2012, 05:39 PM	#17
d1098man Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: philly Posts: 217 Thanks: 9 I Ride: 2012 Ducati 1199 Base and 2005 Ducati 749	Im glad there are some people out there riding these beasts....n i have never experienced any issues with ethanol.....all im saying is try filling up without it....you dont know what ur missing if you haven't tried it out

August 5th, 2012, 06:26 PM	#18
hdobhal Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Greensboro Posts: 51 Thanks: 0	in the owner's manual Ducati has suggested to use fuel with at least octane rating of 90 or above.

August 5th, 2012, 06:52 PM	#19
DucSyd Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 166 Thanks: 17 I Ride: Ducati 1199S; Ducati 1098R; Ducati 748R	I had no idea the USA used ethanol based fuels so much, here in Australia we have a choice which includes low octane ethanol based ( 90 - 92), then mid no ethanol (95) mainly for high performance European cars etc, and we also have a premium fuel which is 98 octane. This is all I use in my bikes, and is excellent. I can' t even imagine running this engine on the low octane ethanol fuels, but I assume Ducati do something to allow them to run on this fuel in the USA.? Could explain why some countries get different "fueling issues"? Even running between brands can make a difference.

August 5th, 2012, 07:41 PM	#20
AntiHero Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: LA to SF to NY and Back Posts: 608 Thanks: 172	Ethanol and Octane ratings should be separated. You can have high octane with no ethanol and low octane with ethanol. USA uses ethanol only because corn-farming lobbyists have wrapped a nice "made in USA" bow around corn-based fuels so they can make more money. Ethanol is to cars as High Fructose Corn Syrup is to bodies.