1199 is not hot !!!! ??? it is inflame - Page 2

Ducati Dreams · August 6th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Sure does. I should research some posts from when the 1098 was released and compare the amount of complaints regarding heat, comfort, craftsmanship etc. I bet they would be similiar.

Steve B · August 6th, 2012, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm4two

It's a no compromise race bike first and street bike second, regardless of lights and mirrors. Suzuki was notorious for this in the past. Buyers or would be buyers just have to know what they’re getting into. Didn't anyone notice where the rear header was before they purchased their Pani? If so, did you just ignore it? lol. It's hot yes, either ride it as is, make accommodations to reduce heat or sell it and get something else (read not as hot). I mean if you were buying a house and noticed it didn't have a roof, would you really complain when you got wet or that it was too hot on summer days? LOL

Nope, sorry. Unless of course you have a six-times-as-expensive RS, in which case I apologize.

The ones they sell for us peons to get licensed and poke around on thinking we're all that are streetbikes. No, the Pani's not a Multi or even a Monster, and yes, it's a lot more track-oriented than a SF. I get that; been around motorbikes a long time, know what sportbikes are and how they evolved. My first one was an RZ350, which I bought new from the dealership I was GM of at the time.

My point on the topic of this thread (heat) is really that while they were making all those other concessions to streetability (and there are many), they should have paid a bit more attention to that functional aspect of the bike. And the only thing it would have cost them was maybe (and that's at most a maybe) a very few style points. I understand them wanting to "show some leg", what with the Superquadro motor and frameless chassis being the heart of the bike, but what they did by not paying more attention to heat shielding was compromise the real-world useability of the bike for quite a few people. Excessive heat is a common topic in just about any Ducati forum, and a common (negative) observation in street-oriented media tests.

Heck, we've even seen people posting pics of actual burns they've gotten from normal use of the thing. If it were a car or appliance, there would be lawsuits and recalls galore (at least in the U.S.) Now us sportbike sorts tend to be more tolerant of things that might hurt us (imagine!), and true Ducatisti have learned to put up with design shortcomings over many years of red coolaid guzzling. So of course a lot of folks will just say get used to it or claim it's not a problem for them, and that's fine - for them. But it sounds a lot like people apologizing for the myriad of POS problems buyers used to rationalize in their Lambos. Audi sorted them out for the better, and I expect them to with Ducati. Refinement isn't all bad.

I'll wrap this way; if I'd been managing the project I wouldn't have let it get out like that, no one would be getting roasted, and it would be a better motorbike. And faster and better-looking too, plus it would make a nice leg of lamb. Oh wait, it already cooks just fine...

bostonrider · August 6th, 2012, 09:18 PM

I rather cook my leg than being at a stop light next to someone riding the Pani while I am on a Different bike....LOL

Riding in 36-38C here in Vietnam...still love every bit of the Pani.

Hakosuka · August 6th, 2012, 10:48 PM

A lot of you guys should get out of the city more and onto the twisties or into the mountains

. Use the damn thing for what it's made

.

I do not wish to offend anyone with the following comment nor do I accuse anyone but for people who are riding the Panigale in flip-flops and shorts... I mean... really?! That's just plain stupid. Proper gear looks way cooler on a superbike and more importantly it will protect you and keep some of the heat away from your leg. So gear up and drive it like you stole it!!

iceman · August 7th, 2012, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakosuka

A lot of you guys should get out of the city more and onto the twisties or into the mountains

. Use the damn thing for what it's made

.

I do not wish to offend anyone with the following comment nor do I accuse anyone but for people who are riding the Panigale in flip-flops and shorts... I mean... really?! That's just plain stupid. Proper gear looks way cooler on a superbike and more importantly it will protect you and keep some of the heat away from your leg. So gear up and drive it like you stole it!!

+1 on gear

chsnprodigy · August 7th, 2012, 04:33 AM

OR....you could look at the flip side of the coin....during the winter time you will never be cold!!!

Im seconding Gunny's remark....COME ON MAN!

fireman1251 · August 7th, 2012, 04:50 AM

[QUOTE=chsnprodigy;27079]OR....you could look at the flip side of the coin....during the winter time you will never be cold!!!

+1! Come October, things will be nice and toasty

gnance · August 7th, 2012, 05:54 AM

Funny how defensive everyone gets....lol

RSR racer · August 7th, 2012, 06:06 AM

"damn its hot here"

"yeah,...but its a dry heat!"

anyone...?

Flynn · August 7th, 2012, 06:06 AM

Give them five years with the 1199 they should have all the bugs worked out by then lol.

gnance · August 7th, 2012, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynn

Give them five years with the 1199 they should have all the bugs worked out by then lol.

Maybe that's how they decide on their new model release schedule. Spend years fixing all the issues, then when the bike is finally problem free release a new model the next year.

rm4two · August 7th, 2012, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsr racer

"damn its hot here"

"yeah,...but its a dry heat!"

anyone...?

+1 lol

rm4two · August 7th, 2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve B

Nope, sorry. Unless of course you have a six-times-as-expensive RS, in which case I apologize.

The ones they sell for us peons to get licensed and poke around on thinking we're all that are streetbikes. No, the Pani's not a Multi or even a Monster, and yes, it's a lot more track-oriented than a SF. I get that; been around motorbikes a long time, know what sportbikes are and how they evolved. My first one was an RZ350, which I bought new from the dealership I was GM of at the time.

My point on the topic of this thread (heat) is really that while they were making all those other concessions to streetability (and there are many), they should have paid a bit more attention to that functional aspect of the bike. And the only thing it would have cost them was maybe (and that's at most a maybe) a very few style points. I understand them wanting to "show some leg", what with the Superquadro motor and frameless chassis being the heart of the bike, but what they did by not paying more attention to heat shielding was compromise the real-world useability of the bike for quite a few people. Excessive heat is a common topic in just about any Ducati forum, and a common (negative) observation in street-oriented media tests.

Heck, we've even seen people posting pics of actual burns they've gotten from normal use of the thing. If it were a car or appliance, there would be lawsuits and recalls galore (at least in the U.S.) Now us sportbike sorts tend to be more tolerant of things that might hurt us (imagine!), and true Ducatisti have learned to put up with design shortcomings over many years of red coolaid guzzling. So of course a lot of folks will just say get used to it or claim it's not a problem for them, and that's fine - for them. But it sounds a lot like people apologizing for the myriad of POS problems buyers used to rationalize in their Lambos. Audi sorted them out for the better, and I expect them to with Ducati. Refinement isn't all bad.

I'll wrap this way; if I'd been managing the project I wouldn't have let it get out like that, no one would be getting roasted, and it would be a better motorbike. And faster and better-looking too, plus it would make a nice leg of lamb. Oh wait, it already cooks just fine...

I get what you're saying and while I don't want to get into a pissing contest I'll respectfully say that I disagree. Some items are built for a specific intended purpose even though the manufacture knows full well that it'll be used for others. Lights, mirrors and tag mounts do not change the intended purpose of the bike. Erik Buell slapped lights and mirrors on his 1190RS so he could go racing. It's less streetable than a Pani. There are several light and mirror kits available for my Yamaha MX dirtbike, but once installed it's intended purpose doesn't change.

I don't know the Ducati designer(s) or chief engineers therefore I could be wrong, but I'm of the opinion that where superbikes are concerned Ducati designs race bikes first then makes them streetable. This means as consumers we’ll have to deal with a few nuances (Heat) that would otherwise not affect anyone on a race track.

southeastduc · August 7th, 2012, 09:40 AM

Agreed ( but only for the superbikes... :-] )

Steve B · August 7th, 2012, 09:48 AM

Yup, all good.

guess the thing that bugs me about that and a few other things is that it didn't have to be that way. Could have still been just as good in every way as it is (and I do like mine), without that being an issue. Would probably have looked a little different in the area of contention, but it would eliminated that as an issue and made for a better riding experience. Tweak the scale a wee bit more towards function as opposed to form, you know.

George Villar · August 7th, 2012, 11:40 AM

1) Wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels;
2) Buy Termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat;
3) Use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and
4) Ride the hell out of it and stop complaining.

This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"

NorthBankGooner · August 7th, 2012, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by george villar

1) wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels;
2) buy termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat;
3) use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and
4) ride the hell out of it and stop complaining.

This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "oh, my p&@@% hurts!!!"

rofl!

rm4two · August 7th, 2012, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve B

Yup, all good.

guess the thing that bugs me about that and a few other things is that it didn't have to be that way. Could have still been just as good in every way as it is (and I do like mine), without that being an issue. Would probably have looked a little different in the area of contention, but it would eliminated that as an issue and made for a better riding experience. Tweak the scale a wee bit more towards function as opposed to form, you know.

Fair enough

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Villar

.....This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"

That's some funny shit! LOL

RSR racer · August 7th, 2012, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Villar

1) Wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels;
2) Buy Termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat;
3) Use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and
4) Ride the hell out of it and stop complaining.

This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"

George

Don't hold back, man...tell us how you really feel!! ;-)

Agree that buyer assumes all risks inherent in such a machine. It is what it is. Ride it or sell it...but please stop the whining.

There is never an excuse for not wearing your proper gear. Period. Wear it and you'll be more comfortable with the heat issues and more importantly, safer.

Justifire · August 7th, 2012, 02:46 PM

Problem is that the Panigale is the first Ducati that is beloved by almost every biker.
Result is a loooot of people who have never riden a Ducati before now jump on the bandwagon and get their balls burnt.
Yes, this is no comfortable japanese, this is an italian racemonster, live with it or swap back to that boring japanese !
Back in those days with my 999s i had to stand next to the bike when waiting for trafficlights, sitting on the sadle while waiting was a no go, but did i cry ?
No !! Because when it rolls it's a beast and that's all where Ducati is about !

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August 6th, 2012, 05:16 PM	#21
Ducati Dreams Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: NM Posts: 165 Thanks: 4 I Ride: 1199	Sure does. I should research some posts from when the 1098 was released and compare the amount of complaints regarding heat, comfort, craftsmanship etc. I bet they would be similiar.

August 6th, 2012, 09:18 PM	#23
bostonrider Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: sai gon Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 08 R6, 09 V-Max, 2010 R6 + CBR1000HRC, K1600GTL	I rather cook my leg than being at a stop light next to someone riding the Pani while I am on a Different bike....LOL Riding in 36-38C here in Vietnam...still love every bit of the Pani.

August 6th, 2012, 10:48 PM	#24
Hakosuka Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Belgium Posts: 125 Thanks: 1	A lot of you guys should get out of the city more and onto the twisties or into the mountains . Use the damn thing for what it's made . I do not wish to offend anyone with the following comment nor do I accuse anyone but for people who are riding the Panigale in flip-flops and shorts... I mean... really?! That's just plain stupid. Proper gear looks way cooler on a superbike and more importantly it will protect you and keep some of the heat away from your leg. So gear up and drive it like you stole it!!

August 7th, 2012, 04:33 AM	#26
chsnprodigy Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Perryville MD Posts: 81 Thanks: 0	OR....you could look at the flip side of the coin....during the winter time you will never be cold!!! Im seconding Gunny's remark....COME ON MAN!

August 7th, 2012, 04:50 AM	#27
fireman1251 Senior Member Joined: Dec 2011 From: Canada Posts: 477 Thanks: 47 I Ride: 1199 Base, '12 Arctic Cat F800SP	[QUOTE=chsnprodigy;27079]OR....you could look at the flip side of the coin....during the winter time you will never be cold!!! +1! Come October, things will be nice and toasty

August 7th, 2012, 05:54 AM	#28
gnance Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Longview Posts: 231 Thanks: 69 I Ride: 2012 1199S ABS	Funny how defensive everyone gets....lol

August 7th, 2012, 06:06 AM	#29
RSR racer Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Long Island, NY Posts: 764 Thanks: 106 I Ride: '13 Panigale R '12 1199S/ABS, '12 Multistrada S, '09 1098R Bayliss LE, 1998 custom rigid chopper	"damn its hot here" "yeah,...but its a dry heat!" anyone...?

August 7th, 2012, 06:06 AM	#30
Flynn Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: Northern Indiana Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 1199 Panigale, 92 fzr 600	Give them five years with the 1199 they should have all the bugs worked out by then lol.

August 7th, 2012, 09:40 AM	#34
southeastduc Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Florida Posts: 323 Thanks: 24 I Ride: 2012 1199 ABS, 2009 YZ450F	Agreed ( but only for the superbikes... :-] )

August 7th, 2012, 09:48 AM	#35
Steve B Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: East TN Posts: 339 Thanks: 53	Yup, all good. guess the thing that bugs me about that and a few other things is that it didn't have to be that way. Could have still been just as good in every way as it is (and I do like mine), without that being an issue. Would probably have looked a little different in the area of contention, but it would eliminated that as an issue and made for a better riding experience. Tweak the scale a wee bit more towards function as opposed to form, you know.

August 7th, 2012, 11:40 AM	#36
George Villar Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: New York City Posts: 445 Thanks: 76 I Ride: Ducati 1199 Tricolore S, 1199 Panigale ABS, Bimota Tesi2D,DB-7,DB1,etc. BMW alpha Racing s1000rr	1) Wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels; 2) Buy Termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat; 3) Use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and 4) Ride the hell out of it and stop complaining. This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"

August 7th, 2012, 02:46 PM	#40
Justifire Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Here Posts: 295 Thanks: 4 I Ride: 1199s Tricolore	Problem is that the Panigale is the first Ducati that is beloved by almost every biker. Result is a loooot of people who have never riden a Ducati before now jump on the bandwagon and get their balls burnt. Yes, this is no comfortable japanese, this is an italian racemonster, live with it or swap back to that boring japanese ! Back in those days with my 999s i had to stand next to the bike when waiting for trafficlights, sitting on the sadle while waiting was a no go, but did i cry ? No !! Because when it rolls it's a beast and that's all where Ducati is about !