In praise of the stock Ducati

luke · August 19th, 2012, 10:15 PM

There's a certain used motorcycle purchasing maxim which goes much like this: the more "modifications" the [used] bike has, the more one should stay away from purchasing it. With Ducatis of course, said maxim has traditionally been waived when applied to Termis and vented clutch covers.

These days, dry clutches are out of the picture. And the 1199 finally comes with a [somewhat] suitably loud exhaust. The question arises: is there any reason to accessorize? It seems that this might be the first all-but-perfect stock Ducati Superbike.

Thoughts?

4theride · August 19th, 2012, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luke

There's a certain used motorcycle purchasing maxim which goes much like this: the more "modifications" the [used] bike has, the more one should stay away from purchasing it. With Ducatis of course, said maxim has traditionally been waived when applied to Termis and vented clutch covers.

These days, dry clutches are out of the picture. And the 1199 finally comes with a [somewhat] suitably loud exhaust. The question arises: is there any reason to accessorize? It seems that this might be the first all-but-perfect stock Ducati Superbike.

Thoughts?

With regards to exhaust, my stock Pani S is definitely loud enough for me that it would be hard for me to justify dropping 3+ grand on a full termi system. Only accessory that I think would be justified would be some rear sets, although, I'm not at the calibre that some of the others are on the forum with my track skillz

BlueBear · August 19th, 2012, 10:52 PM

this bike is and looks great but there are still improvement that can be done
or i would do

tidy tail to give a clean look
exhaust shield for CF to block most of heat
seat to make it comfy but also none slip
rearset look slippery
dyno run or maybe commander
and last of all the cans if not the whole exhaust
the stock cans look abit poorly made if look closely

half of these is to make the bike comfy to ride and half is to make it more betta

well depends on budget, and taste
if you keep all stock parts whats stopping you from swapping it back if you plan to sell it?

i still keep my old gixer750 exhaust cuz i kept it as a trophy which i would of not gain anything frrom selling with the bike

chsnprodigy · August 20th, 2012, 04:52 AM

Luke,
I would have to agree with you. Every time I take my base out for a ride I cant think of where I want to change things. Even the ugly tail licence plate is growing on me, I look at it as a flaw in a masterpiece. Almost like a mona lisa, there has to be a flaw somewhere in the masterpiece. I love the way it sounds, looks, handles, stops, goes.....maybe ill spend the money on track days instead of carbon fiber.

koreanano · August 20th, 2012, 06:26 AM

the only thing I have on my mind is the tail for the license plate.

it has to go. its just too ugly and makes my 200 diablo looks like a 150.

but the rest of this machine...is just fantastic. I have no more need for mods.

CaliDuc · August 20th, 2012, 06:58 AM

When you behold a 1199 Panigale with all the official DP parts and accessories then it is quit evident that this was the design goal of the bike and that Ducati simply removed aforementioned performance parts to make the bike financially more accessible.

rm4two · August 20th, 2012, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luke

There's a certain used motorcycle purchasing maxim which goes much like this: the more "modifications" the [used] bike has, the more one should stay away from purchasing it. With Ducatis of course, said maxim has traditionally been waived when applied to Termis and vented clutch covers.

These days, dry clutches are out of the picture. And the 1199 finally comes with a [somewhat] suitably loud exhaust. The question arises: is there any reason to accessorize? It seems that this might be the first all-but-perfect stock Ducati Superbike.

Thoughts?

Ooooh boy, don't ask Wallaroo or Gunny this question LOL. I would estimate that both have somewhere in the neighborhood of $10k in "accessories".

turnone · August 20th, 2012, 09:05 AM

I changed the seat and that's all. Bike is wonderful. Parts are very pricey, not worth the return for my money. Exhaust is fine. Weight of bike is good. I've ridden pretty fast on it and didn't drag anything, so don't need rear sets so far. Brakes are best I have ever experienced.

Bikes get modded often, eventually the stock one will be the 'rare find' and more exclusive.

Only thing I don't like is the heat.

Chris

jyli19 · August 20th, 2012, 10:40 AM

Planning to keep mine 100% stock. Then the OEM peg went after the first ride, way too slippery.

Next thing, trying to work on that heat. Don't mind the engine and exhaust heat as long as coolant temp stays under 220F, it's normal. But rear pipe heating the rear shock and the bottom panel to a point where it's too hot to touch, that's alarming.

zvez · August 20th, 2012, 10:47 AM

to each his own, I stopped doing any significant add-ons after my 996.. If you do add on, keep all the stock parts so when you sell you can return to stock and get some money back from the add-ons. Absolutely no way should you leave a bike with all kinds of extras when you sell it, only the buyer benefits

Quote:

Originally Posted by luke

There's a certain used motorcycle purchasing maxim which goes much like this: the more "modifications" the [used] bike has, the more one should stay away from purchasing it. With Ducatis of course, said maxim has traditionally been waived when applied to Termis and vented clutch covers.

These days, dry clutches are out of the picture. And the 1199 finally comes with a [somewhat] suitably loud exhaust. The question arises: is there any reason to accessorize? It seems that this might be the first all-but-perfect stock Ducati Superbike.

Thoughts?

CaliDuc · August 20th, 2012, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zvez

to each his own, I stopped doing any significant add-ons after my 996.. If you do add on, keep all the stock parts so when you sell you can return to stock and get some money back from the add-ons. Absolutely no way should you leave a bike with all kinds of extras when you sell it, only the buyer benefits

Good advise on keeping all the stock parts. I have done this, however I have no plans on selling my bike as I am a collector.

rm4two · August 20th, 2012, 11:00 AM

I didn't buy my Pani with the thought of resale value. Therefore, I've done the Comfort seat, Termi Slip-ons, custom vinyl wrap, custom fender eliminator and rear turn signal LEDs. I plan on doing Jet-Hot coating, BSTs, DP Levers, Rizoma fluid reservoirs and gas cap, as many carbon fiber bits as the wallet (and the Mrs.) will allow LOL and a few additional bits here and there. To me it's not so much that the bike needs these items or return on investment, for me it's individualizing the bike and truly making it my own.

AntiHero · August 20th, 2012, 11:10 AM

I think the first impression I had of the 1199 was that it was near perfect. But after I thought my leg had caught on fire, I thought otherwise. And then there was the whole, "why can't I get the grease off my foot" slippery footpeg situation. And then, that loud exhaust that souded great in the parking lot at Newport Beach Ducati sure did make me feel like an inconsiderate asshole when driving into a friends condo complex at 1am, wondering if some resident I'd woken up one too many nights in a row was going to push my bike over while I slept soundly....

Everything can be improved--there are corners manufacturers make for cost reasons and others just because they have to try and please every size rider out there, all with different cosmetic and ergonomic likes, dislikes and requirements.

luke · August 20th, 2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zvez

to each his own, I stopped doing any significant add-ons after my 996.. If you do add on, keep all the stock parts so when you sell you can return to stock and get some money back from the add-ons. Absolutely no way should you leave a bike with all kinds of extras when you sell it, only the buyer benefits

Wise words right here.

Suddenly, the Termi slip-ons sound (pun intended) like a decent investment after all.

CaliDuc · August 20th, 2012, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rm4two

I didn't buy my Pani with the thought of resale value. Therefore, I've done the Comfort seat, Termi Slip-ons, custom vinyl wrap, custom fender eliminator and rear turn signal LEDs. I plan on doing Jet-Hot coating, BSTs, DP Levers, Rizoma fluid reservoirs and gas cap, as many carbon fiber bits as the wallet (and the Mrs.) will allow LOL and a few additional bits here and there. To me it's not so much that the bike needs these items or return on investment, for me it's individualizing the bike and truly making it my own.

Totally agree. I have got all the DP parts and accessories (except the Air Conveyors which arrive end of Oct 2012). Both Project Rizoma and Project Jet Hot - Full Term' exhaust system are underway. I will upload pictures when complete.

jyli19 · August 20th, 2012, 12:53 PM

CaliDuc, if you are getting the 70mm full termi, can I have your OEM slip ons that came with the Tricolore?

rm4two · August 20th, 2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyli19

CaliDuc, if you are getting the 70mm full termi, can I have your OEM slip ons that came with the Tricolore?

"HAVE"

supduc10 · August 20th, 2012, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zvez

to each his own, I stopped doing any significant add-ons after my 996.. If you do add on, keep all the stock parts so when you sell you can return to stock and get some money back from the add-ons. Absolutely no way should you leave a bike with all kinds of extras when you sell it, only the buyer benefits

I"m same as you ZVEZ last time i went mod crazy was on my RC51 Honda. It was an obsession. These newer bikes are so well specced, that throwing big bucks at them just dont interesst me now. I"ve made a few adjustments regarding aesthetics like a tail tidy,gold chain and some blue Ti nuts+bolts but thats it. More interested in getting it dialled in as best as and riding. Amazing bike and i"m loving it. There is a guy by me who"s spent £20,000+ on a gixxer 1000 and I just can"t see the point,when bikes like the Pani+RSV4 exist. Such a good package straight out the shop.

CaliDuc · August 20th, 2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyli19

CaliDuc, if you are getting the 70mm full termi, can I have your OEM slip ons that came with the Tricolore?

I have the 70mm full termi along with the OEM termi slip (included with a Tricolore ) actually on the bike. I am taking the full system off the bike to be Jet Hot coated.

MadeinItaly · August 20th, 2012, 02:53 PM

Most don't like to readily admit it but aftermarket exhausts are more about the looks and sound than any performance gains. These stock ones look good and sound great, so I don't see myself spending money on that.
Also the S is so damn nice I don't see spending too much more.
I am thinking of spending the money on a used 748 and fixing it up just for kicks.

August 19th, 2012, 10:15 PM	#1
luke Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 85 Thanks: 18 I Ride: 2013 1199 ABS	In praise of the stock Ducati There's a certain used motorcycle purchasing maxim which goes much like this: the more "modifications" the [used] bike has, the more one should stay away from purchasing it. With Ducatis of course, said maxim has traditionally been waived when applied to Termis and vented clutch covers. These days, dry clutches are out of the picture. And the 1199 finally comes with a [somewhat] suitably loud exhaust. The question arises: is there any reason to accessorize? It seems that this might be the first all-but-perfect stock Ducati Superbike. Thoughts?

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August 19th, 2012, 10:52 PM	#3
BlueBear Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 312 Thanks: 38 I Ride: White 1199S w/ ABS	this bike is and looks great but there are still improvement that can be done or i would do tidy tail to give a clean look exhaust shield for CF to block most of heat seat to make it comfy but also none slip rearset look slippery dyno run or maybe commander and last of all the cans if not the whole exhaust the stock cans look abit poorly made if look closely half of these is to make the bike comfy to ride and half is to make it more betta well depends on budget, and taste if you keep all stock parts whats stopping you from swapping it back if you plan to sell it? i still keep my old gixer750 exhaust cuz i kept it as a trophy which i would of not gain anything frrom selling with the bike

August 20th, 2012, 04:52 AM	#4
chsnprodigy Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Perryville MD Posts: 81 Thanks: 0	Luke, I would have to agree with you. Every time I take my base out for a ride I cant think of where I want to change things. Even the ugly tail licence plate is growing on me, I look at it as a flaw in a masterpiece. Almost like a mona lisa, there has to be a flaw somewhere in the masterpiece. I love the way it sounds, looks, handles, stops, goes.....maybe ill spend the money on track days instead of carbon fiber.

August 20th, 2012, 06:26 AM	#5
koreanano Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Singapore Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 1199	the only thing I have on my mind is the tail for the license plate. it has to go. its just too ugly and makes my 200 diablo looks like a 150. but the rest of this machine...is just fantastic. I have no more need for mods.

August 20th, 2012, 06:58 AM	#6
CaliDuc Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: California, Bay Area, USA Posts: 804 Thanks: 113 I Ride: Yamaha R1, Ducati 1098 S Tricolore, Ducati 1199 S Panigale Tricolore	When you behold a 1199 Panigale with all the official DP parts and accessories then it is quit evident that this was the design goal of the bike and that Ducati simply removed aforementioned performance parts to make the bike financially more accessible.

August 20th, 2012, 09:05 AM	#8
turnone Senior Member Joined: Dec 2011 From: Cincinnati, OHIO, USA Posts: 267 Thanks: 1 I Ride: Own(ed): '09 Ape RS125 '08 CBR1KRR, '00 RC51, '00 RS50, '01 RS50 80cc, '98 VTR1000F, '90 FZR400R	I changed the seat and that's all. Bike is wonderful. Parts are very pricey, not worth the return for my money. Exhaust is fine. Weight of bike is good. I've ridden pretty fast on it and didn't drag anything, so don't need rear sets so far. Brakes are best I have ever experienced. Bikes get modded often, eventually the stock one will be the 'rare find' and more exclusive. Only thing I don't like is the heat. Chris

August 20th, 2012, 10:40 AM	#9
jyli19 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: So-Cal Posts: 346 Thanks: 12	Planning to keep mine 100% stock. Then the OEM peg went after the first ride, way too slippery. Next thing, trying to work on that heat. Don't mind the engine and exhaust heat as long as coolant temp stays under 220F, it's normal. But rear pipe heating the rear shock and the bottom panel to a point where it's too hot to touch, that's alarming.

August 20th, 2012, 11:00 AM	#12
rm4two Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Phoenix,AZ Posts: 791 Thanks: 75 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	I didn't buy my Pani with the thought of resale value. Therefore, I've done the Comfort seat, Termi Slip-ons, custom vinyl wrap, custom fender eliminator and rear turn signal LEDs. I plan on doing Jet-Hot coating, BSTs, DP Levers, Rizoma fluid reservoirs and gas cap, as many carbon fiber bits as the wallet (and the Mrs.) will allow LOL and a few additional bits here and there. To me it's not so much that the bike needs these items or return on investment, for me it's individualizing the bike and truly making it my own.

August 20th, 2012, 11:10 AM	#13
AntiHero Senior Member Joined: Nov 2011 From: LA to SF to NY and Back Posts: 604 Thanks: 170	I think the first impression I had of the 1199 was that it was near perfect. But after I thought my leg had caught on fire, I thought otherwise. And then there was the whole, "why can't I get the grease off my foot" slippery footpeg situation. And then, that loud exhaust that souded great in the parking lot at Newport Beach Ducati sure did make me feel like an inconsiderate asshole when driving into a friends condo complex at 1am, wondering if some resident I'd woken up one too many nights in a row was going to push my bike over while I slept soundly.... Everything can be improved--there are corners manufacturers make for cost reasons and others just because they have to try and please every size rider out there, all with different cosmetic and ergonomic likes, dislikes and requirements.

August 20th, 2012, 12:53 PM	#16
jyli19 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: So-Cal Posts: 346 Thanks: 12	CaliDuc, if you are getting the 70mm full termi, can I have your OEM slip ons that came with the Tricolore?

August 20th, 2012, 02:53 PM	#20
MadeinItaly Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Florida Posts: 255 Thanks: 6 I Ride: Panigale S/Abs Honda CBR1000RR Repsol	Most don't like to readily admit it but aftermarket exhausts are more about the looks and sound than any performance gains. These stock ones look good and sound great, so I don't see myself spending money on that. Also the S is so damn nice I don't see spending too much more. I am thinking of spending the money on a used 748 and fixing it up just for kicks.