Termignoni Slip-Ons and Mapping.

b1six · August 20th, 2012, 07:52 AM

My shit is POPPING! More than normal, there is something wrong with this map IMHO. My exhaust is blackened by the hole. I am running 91 Octane here in CA, is this related to the Charcoal canister in any way? Any insight is helpful. Gonna get this thing mapped from Matt at Motowheels soon so hopefully this fixes it.

lardawge · August 20th, 2012, 09:02 AM

If it is popping on shifting or decel I wouldn't worry about it to much. I have the same issue with running rich and black exhuast... Every ducati I have had using the termi map/ecu has had that problem.

I ended up putting a power commander on my streetfighter which fixed the fueling but ran really rich at lower rpms to do so.

What really matters is how it feels while riding it.

b1six · August 20th, 2012, 09:10 AM

Yeah it is the same, black and rich.

George Villar · August 20th, 2012, 01:15 PM

The Ducati factory runs the bike too rich to keep the bike's hard engine parts safe. If it was too lean - the engine would ping/detonate and run too hot, boil the coolant, blow a head gasket and all other sorts of mayhem. Yes, the popping sound goes away when you remove the charcoal canister, or at least it did in my case and I have been tracking the 1199 in 90+ degrees with no issues on pump gas.

joshinthecity · August 20th, 2012, 01:36 PM

Weird, because the only time I get popping is at idle.
S abs.

J.

WAfatboy · August 20th, 2012, 02:44 PM

Ive got no popping on over-run or idle, just on gear shift under moderate to hard acceleration, and still relatively restrained then even though it's quite loud. If its popping anywhere else then it needs tuning IMHO.

bradp51 · August 20th, 2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b1six

My shit is POPPING! More than normal, there is something wrong with this map IMHO. My exhaust is blackened by the hole. I am running 91 Octane here in CA, is this related to the Charcoal canister in any way? Any insight is helpful. Gonna get this thing mapped from Matt at Motowheels soon so hopefully this fixes it.

All my stuff is still standard and no popping.

jimmymendoza · August 20th, 2012, 06:07 PM

I love the popping. I try to have it back fire on me, it turns me on.

turbodan · August 20th, 2012, 06:31 PM

the up map with the termi is to rich, I remap with the original map and the bike is very more powerful , and 4000 km later with no problem ,

Wallaroo · August 20th, 2012, 07:46 PM

The only time I get popping is on the upshift.......sounds unreal

MUNDMAN · August 22nd, 2012, 10:35 AM

All I get is a burble at idle and an occasional popping while shifting at low gears and high revs. This thing sounds great and the Termi's aren't even on yet.

Supernova1199 · August 22nd, 2012, 12:57 PM

I started to notice this when I upgraded to the slip on. I took the bike back to my dealer and had the bike re-maped 2 times and it still did it. (The up-maps are already in the bike from Ducati and the flash drive that you get with the better pipes is only the Key to open up the new up-maps). Most of my poping hapened when I used the clutch to up shift *hard to break old habits.

When the Ducati Master Mechanic looked at it, he said it was fine and explained to me what was going on. The (DQS) Ducati Quick Shifter is always on, even if you use the clutch. If you read up on how the quick shifter works you will find that it uses engine rpm, bike speed and throttle position to cut out the engine to make the shift and blows the unspent fuel out the pipe. If you turn off the DQS and the poping goes away then it was just the DQS and timing burning off unspent fuel with a backfire. You will notice it much more if you bump up to the better slip-on or full system becuse the up-maps toss in more fuel meaning more unspent fuel and less packing in the pipe to sheld the sound. I hope this helps it sure sounds good to me now that I understand it's not hurting the valves. If this does not help then first check for any exhaust leaks and go from there.

Rade safe my brothers/sisters

Nuke · March 28th, 2013, 03:27 PM

Did you guys remove the flapper valve when installing your slip ons?

Gavin D · March 28th, 2013, 03:35 PM

You only remove the flapper valve with the full system! The flapper will help with mid range power with the slip ons!

TransNone13 · March 28th, 2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin D

You only remove the flapper valve with the full system! The flapper will help with mid range power with the slip ons!

The flapper is disabled on the slips, the motor is removed.

I recommend removing your AIS to get rid of most of the popping. This is the main culprit.

Gunny Fitz · March 28th, 2013, 03:40 PM

Correct. Dealer installed my termi slips on Tri before taking delivery of it and , servo, and cable are cometely removed. Leaving this on will cause you nothing but issues.

As stated below. Valve remains in place but is not functional as it remains wide open .

TransNone13 · March 28th, 2013, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunny Fitz

Correct. Dealer installed my termi slips on Tri before taking delivery of it and entire flapper valve, servo, and cable are cometely removed. Leaving this on will cause you nothing but issues.

Flapper stays on, but just open on the stock collector set.

Stw · March 28th, 2013, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transnone13

the flapper is disabled on the slips, the motor is removed.

I recommend removing your ais to get rid of most of the popping. This is the main culprit.

ais???

Gunny Fitz · March 28th, 2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TransNone13

Flapper stays on, but just open on the stock collector set.

Absolutely right. Just confirmed this. I stand corrected. Thx.

TransNone13 · March 28th, 2013, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stw

ais???

Smog block off plates?

August 20th, 2012, 07:52 AM	#1
b1six Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Yuba City CA Posts: 200 Thanks: 4 I Ride: The bees knees.	Termignoni Slip-Ons and Mapping. My shit is POPPING! More than normal, there is something wrong with this map IMHO. My exhaust is blackened by the hole. I am running 91 Octane here in CA, is this related to the Charcoal canister in any way? Any insight is helpful. Gonna get this thing mapped from Matt at Motowheels soon so hopefully this fixes it.

March 28th, 2013, 03:40 PM	#16
Gunny Fitz Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Washington, DC Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 233 I Ride: Panigale Tri-Colore	Correct. Dealer installed my termi slips on Tri before taking delivery of it and , servo, and cable are cometely removed. Leaving this on will cause you nothing but issues. As stated below. Valve remains in place but is not functional as it remains wide open . Last edited by Gunny Fitz; March 28th, 2013 at 03:50 PM. Reason: correction

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August 20th, 2012, 09:02 AM	#2
lardawge Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Los Angeles Posts: 141 Thanks: 16	If it is popping on shifting or decel I wouldn't worry about it to much. I have the same issue with running rich and black exhuast... Every ducati I have had using the termi map/ecu has had that problem. I ended up putting a power commander on my streetfighter which fixed the fueling but ran really rich at lower rpms to do so. What really matters is how it feels while riding it.

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joshinthecity Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Sydney Australia Posts: 213 Thanks: 10 I Ride: Panigale S	Weird, because the only time I get popping is at idle. S abs. J.

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March 28th, 2013, 03:27 PM	#13
Nuke Member Joined: Jan 2013 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 I Ride: Ducati 1199 Panigale	Did you guys remove the flapper valve when installing your slip ons?

March 28th, 2013, 03:35 PM	#14
Gavin D Senior Member Joined: Mar 2013 From: Brisbane, QLD Australia Posts: 186 Thanks: 60 I Ride: 2012 Panigale Tricolore	You only remove the flapper valve with the full system! The flapper will help with mid range power with the slip ons!