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Old September 25th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #1
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Which helmet offers the largest field of vision?

With my neck not being as flexible as I'd like it to be, I had a little trouble on the track seeing as far as I'd like to through the turns.

I would like to know which helmets you feel have the largest vertical and widest dimension field of vision from a sport bike tuck position perspective.

I use a Schuberth and it's prob really good for touring, but really crappy on the track.

Also; I now know why so many have said the stock rear sets on the Pani are for sh*t...they have zero traction.

On the lookout for the "grippiest" set out there, (or at least pegs to start with)
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Old September 25th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #2
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The Nexx XR1R is claimed to have the widest field of view, and it also happens to be the lightest helmet on the market.

It didnt fit my head too well shape wise, so I went with an Arai Vector2
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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #3
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SHOEI X-12 is awesome
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Old September 25th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #4
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Any Arai with a SAI faceshield....Corsair V, Vector 2, or RX-Q. They also have a Pinlock Max which you can buy to insert the tints which utilizes the who shield.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #5
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The widest field of vision I have ever seen was with a Vemar. They are super light and have a very wide opening. A bit pricey and hard to get but great one.
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The Shoei x-spirit ll has a wider view than previous and is quite good, although the AGV GP Tech was just as good.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #7
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I have found that the RX-7 GP is also good, lighter and a lot more stable than the Corsair at high speed on the track! The down side is that they tend to make a big dent in your wallet!
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Old September 26th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #9
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You should have tried on the Nexx helmets that Justin at the Parts Club trailer sells while you were at the track. Of course, you could solve that by coming back soon, I'll be there sunday 10/14 and mon 10/15. and will give you some one on one coaching while there
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think about changing to this one.
my current Bell star is a disappointment in that concern...
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The widest field of vision I have ever seen was with a Vemar. They are super light and have a very wide opening. A bit pricey and hard to get but great one.
I had a Vemar flip up model with internal sun visor. Not bad but 100 grams heavier than my new Corsair V Arai.

Between the two I could not detect much difference in view port size.

I wear the Arai now as its lighter.
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With my neck not being as flexible as I'd like it to be, I had a little trouble on the track seeing as far as I'd like to through the turns.

I would like to know which helmets you feel have the largest vertical and widest dimension field of vision from a sport bike tuck position perspective.

I use a Schuberth and it's prob really good for touring, but really crappy on the track.

Also; I now know why so many have said the stock rear sets on the Pani are for sh*t...they have zero traction.

On the lookout for the "grippiest" set out there, (or at least pegs to start with)
I just fitted some LSL. Much better than standard. And cheap.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #14
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RSR - my opinion (as opinionated as it is . . .

What schuberth do you have ? The C3 or their track helmet the SR1 ? The SR1 is excellent as that is what I primarily use, alternating with a Arai Corsair V. The SR1 is excellent in ventilation and sound (quietest helmet by far as nothing else seems to come close). The field of view on most of these helmets for track seem to be very close. I don't detect a difference visually between the Arai and the Schuberth.

I don't know what your issue is - but let me guess here. It's not the lateral vision that you are having issue with. It's the fact that you cant arc your neck up or keep it there for any length of time to see forward while in a forward tuck ? If that is the case - there is an easier fix. Get two thick foam pads about 1" thick (the same stuff they use say in Pelican cases) and stick them in the top of the helmet between the top layer foam and the helmet padding (to keep the pads in place). I learned this from the superbike schools as over half of everybody there were using the supplied foam blocks (about 1.5" thick x 2.5" wide by 4" long bricks) to put into their helmet. Once I put those in, every top end helmet that fit my head all of a sudden had perfect top to bottom vision for me on the track. No need to constantly push my helmet up at the chin to see forward. But if thats not your problem - ignore this last paragraph.

I will never buy an AGV again. The AGV is loud and I don't feel its made anywhere near the same level as a Schuberth.

For foot pedals - two recommendations. One is the Ducati rear set if you want to go that route. The other is get the Rizoma Pro-B pegs with adapter (1098 adapter). Couple hundred and very grippy pedals. thats what I currently have on though I do have the rear sets - just haven't put them on.
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I don't know what your issue is - but let me guess here. It's not the lateral vision that you are having issue with. It's the fact that you cant arc your neck up or keep it there for any length of time to see forward while in a forward tuck ? If that is the case - there is an easier fix. Get two thick foam pads about 1" thick (the same stuff they use say in Pelican cases) and stick them in the top of the helmet between the top layer foam and the helmet padding (to keep the pads in place). I learned this from the superbike schools as over half of everybody there were using the supplied foam blocks (about 1.5" thick x 2.5" wide by 4" long bricks) to put into their helmet. Once I put those in, every top end helmet that fit my head all of a sudden had perfect top to bottom vision for me on the track. No need to constantly push my helmet up at the chin to see forward. But if thats not your problem - ignore this last paragraph.
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You nailed it, my friend! As you are very familiar with NJMP; it was especially a problem coming into turn 8, looking across to 9 and then transitioning into 9 which then required a hard look left to see all the way through 10. Found myself pushing the helmet up mid turn 8 to prepare for 9-10...at one point the C3 I was using rolled so far down that I could only see the red and white curbing in 10 and just hung onto the inside knowing it would get me to the 2nd apex and then push it up to continue on.

Brett also suggested trackside a padding which worked somewhat but it was done in haste and I'm sure now I can do a better job (where is that old camera pelican case anyway...gotta go find it right now! )

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You should have tried on the Nexx helmets that Justin at the Parts Club trailer sells while you were at the track. Of course, you could solve that by coming back soon, I'll be there sunday 10/14 and mon 10/15. and will give you some one on one coaching while there
Brett,

Thanks so much for the advanced techinque training!! I tried to use it all on my last run and things started to come unglued! Def need to add one new parameter at a time so as to not overwhelm myself

I will also be down for a single maybe double day that weekend in Oct so I will see you there

And I hope the Nexx guy is there...if you know him, can you tell him to bring a carbon XR1R with red trim for me to try, size XL? Maybe you have a contact #??

Thanks again for everything. TMP is a really great group of guys and I cannot believe the level of talent that is out on that track and amazing credentials of the TMP instructors!!
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You nailed it, my friend! As you are very familiar with NJMP; it was especially a problem coming into turn 8, looking across to 9 and then transitioning into 9 which then required a hard look left to see all the way through 10. Found myself pushing the helmet up mid turn 8 to prepare for 9-10...at one point the C3 I was using rolled so far down that I could only see the red and white curbing in 10 and just hung onto the inside knowing it would get me to the 2nd apex and then push it up to continue on.

Brett also suggested trackside a padding which worked somewhat but it was done in haste and I'm sure now I can do a better job (where is that old camera pelican case anyway...gotta go find it right now! )
Yes, a common problem no matter what the helmet. .. its not a visibility issue per se but one that can be adjusted out. .. I would still switch out the C3 for a sport helmet (Arai Corsair V or the Schuberth SR1). The difference is still very significant between the C3 and the SR1. It's also a lot lighter, ventilates better and while the pin/rotation is great for city/street riding, you really don't want additional moving part while travelling 100+ miles an hour on a track (and god forbid you go down).

But yes, cut yourself some big thick foam blocks and put them in the top of the helmet. You don't need to sticky them in if you don't want it permanent (though I keep foam pads in the top of all my helmets, street or track after this worked). One at the crown and one right above the forehead work very well. try it on the street while riding first to adjust to your preference and you'll know what I mean. . .

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Thanks...taking out the scissors right now!

Going to make a T with one across forehead and one sagitally along crown...sounds good?

Love the Schuberth on the street and will try the Nexx as well.

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Yes, a common problem no matter what the helmet. .. its not a visibility issue per se but one that can be adjusted out. .. I would still switch out the C3 for a sport helmet (Arai Corsair V or the Schuberth SR1). The difference is still very significant between the C3 and the SR1. It's also a lot lighter, ventilates better and while the pin/rotation is great for city/street riding, you really don't want additional moving part while travelling 100+ miles an hour on a track.

But yes, cut yourself some big thick foam blocks and put them in the top of the helmet. You don't need to stick them in if you don't want (though I keep foam pads in the top of all my helmets, street or track after this worked). One at the crown and one right above the forehead work very well. try it on the street while riding first and you'll know what I mean. . .
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Thanks...taking out the scissors right now!

Going to make a T with one across forehead and one sagitally along crown...sounds good?

Love the Schuberth on the street and will try the Nexx as well.
That should work. Your foam is still "dense" but gives kind, right ? Not the supersoft kind (I use the pelican case example because that foam is kind of dense and holds shape well but still compresses). But yes, that is exactly what you want - something across above the forehead along with something along the crown. At least 1.5" thick - maybe 2". I think I have my two blocks are both 2" thick. I would cut thicker and then thin as needed. Make sure you don't cover your vent holes at the top of the helmet. Foam vents - but it vents better if no foam is covering even better. ..

Try on the SR1 if you get a chance. . . You might not want to as its pricy, but a very very well made racing helmet. .. . just moving the front visor up/down makes you think - wow, this is well made.

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Will do with the SR1....now back to helmet surgery! (the C3 aint cheap either!! Now I'm cutting it up!)
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