barry bubbles

.....interested to see if anyone has done this and regretted it or not ?

having a 1098r Bayliss,....the resistance could no longer be tollerated and I took out a 1199s yesterday...

1199 Definetley felt easier to ride....
the engine was significantley less "punchy" (than the 1098r) till about 6k revs then it went "all med-evil on my sorry bottom"....!
the " R "is definetley a much smoother motor....

Think I realised you have to sort of ride the 1199 bit more like a 4 cylinder,...more revs.

any one swapped from the 1098r to the 1199,...interested to here views from people that have .....not a standard 1098 please !

zvez

why don't you get the 1199R coming out in 2013?

George Villar

I prefer the 1199 Panigale over my 1098R Bayliss. The bike is leagues ahead in power and chassis (lack thereof). The 1199 is compact, easier to flick and does not give me a hassle on the mid-speed twisties by lifting the front wheel and having a constant loss of feeling in the front end. The 1199 is just a better bike.

That's my 2 cents.

Just own both.

Daz

I sold my r to buy a base 1199 that I'm going to race next year . I havnt even sat on an 1199. I don't regret selling the r at all.

RSR racer

My route went the other direction...had the 1199S and picked up the Bayliss.

Simply put; the Bayliss is a real man's bike and I am sure anyone who owns both will tell you that the Pani is much easier to ride.

The thing with the 1098R is that its reputation of rawness and a need for a strong hand is what drew me to it in the first place. The Pani was my first Ducati. It's amazing in every respect, but I felt I was missing something of the heritage of the framed Duc's and their reputation as being an animal in need of taming.

The same (insanity?) reasoning drew me to racing successively more "raw" Porsches until I was in a factory RSR as the ultimate test of my abilities.

I cannot put one of these Ducatis above the other as they both fulfill different needs for me.

I think I'm going to enjoy both beasts for a very long time

George Villar

Have you tracked the Bayliss and 1199 on the same track day? Or is your opinion from a street perspective?

RSR racer

GV....strictly street application in my limited experience with the 1098R, yet my initial impressions are that it's going to take some getting used to. I'll hopefully get it on the track this spring after I've gotten a little more acquainted with it's characteristics. Yet it is clearly the alpha of the two.

Easier to ride doesn't necessarily mean better to me if I am not gaining valuable control feedback. Same concept with race cars for me. Larning with something raw and without "nannies" can only make me appreciate their input when I have them later, otherwise I am less wise to contol overall.

The Pani on the track was a great experience. It opened my eyes to how much I've yet to learn to be considered a proficient track rider. I'm a good and patient student, so I look forward to growing into a better rider with both of these great machines.

Falcon

The 1199 all the way! I thought I would miss the bottom end, and I did at first, but once I put the exhaust on, it was a GREAT improvement! The 1199 is just much more fun to ride.

mrbrettbaker

RSR, I'm bringing my Pani just to ride with you! should have a fun day.

mrbrettbaker

I know you said R only but I'm going to chime in anyway. I had an 1198 base and traded for a 1199. I'm a trackday coach and racer. On the track, the 99 is just simply an easier bike to ride fast in all regards but ergonomics. The 98 on the other hand was an animal that you had to always respect, as it was a hiside just waiting to happen. It did have what had to be the greatest fuel tank to lock into while cornering, the 1199 is the worst Duc tank I've ever tried to ride.
On the street, the 1198 was just more fun to ride. Never had to shift much and 5000rpm throttle wheelies were acheived without trying. I found it more comfortable to ride all day. These two bikes really are apples and oranges.

anthem

RSR as Brett mentioned, I would be very careful with the R on the track. I would get very familiar with the track and riding a track with the Pani, and then when you can feel the pani with all the aids off (track mode that you haven't overridden) - then consider taking the R to the track. If you are still learning and pushing the limits, don't switch to the R or use the R on the track. Basically when you know your limits, your abilities, your bike abilities - then consider the R. Thats not to say you have to be at the bikes limits, just that you need to know when the bike is going to or about to let go so that when you get that similar feeling on the R you'll be able to compensate or adjust to it. The R (eventhough it does have /some/ traction control/electronic aids) is much more raw in that respect. In a car, you just spin/slide out and can be "no real harm done". On a bike, not the case. While you can easily walk away, the bike will suffer significant damage.. . .

Anyhow, I certainly would say go and track the bike. Just make sure you have say 10 or 15 track sessions down before trying to take the R hard through corners. It's low end is an absolute monster and the wheel can easily break loose coming out of a corner. . .

daverogers2001

My Route was 1098 Standard to 1198SP and now 1199S

The 10 & 1198 are stable mates and the 1199sp is a totally different animal.

I enjoy my 1199S but have to say the 1198SP was more challenging to ride especially on a track and I Miss it really!!

RSR racer

@ Brett And Anthem: "words of wisdom" that I will respect 100% thankyou for your valuable input.

Brett...I might not make it there...son's games moved around...conflicts!

anthem

Hey RSR - I should clarify a bit more. If you want to take the R out onto the track - go ahead. Just don't be working on "getting better" on the bike in terms of pushing your skill level. Just ride it in such a way to be pushing it LESS than say on the 1199 or another bike. The traction control on the 1199 can make up for a /lot/ of mistakes (not smooth on throttle, adding lean angle and throttle, etc etc) that it covers up a lot of ver basic mistakes that the R won't tolerate. The biggest of which is that because of the torque, it can easily brake the rear free and if you chop or don't properly recover, like Brett said - its a high side waiting to happen.

But like I said - I take my bikes out onto the track. I took a brand new MVA with less than 50 miles out a few months ago as well. So, not saying don't take it out - but don't "push" it until you know what the feeling is like w/o traction control. . .. as the 1199 has a lot of it and the R, very little.

DucSyd

I kept my R as it is still an expectional bike, and I want to. The 1199 is simply better pretty much everywhere. My dilemma now is I simply am not riding the R anymore, but " force" myself to sometimes. I just love the 1199. By the way I sold my BMW S1000 almost immediately after getting the 1199.

luke

I forget which Brit bike mag it was that referred to the 1198 as having "bowel-loosening grunt". Regardless, it's true. On the 1198, crack the throttle at highway speeds and see triple-digit numbers before you can say "Hayabusa". May the 1199 appropriately take the reins.

ATAT jc

My route.. 1198S , 1098R, 1198R which I just sold a couple of weeks ago, still waiting for my Tricolore.. Have ridden an 1199S of my friends though. Lightness are similar once you tuned the sus. I miss a lot the sound of the R with full termis and the power in low rpms. The R definitely leaves the 1199 even w full termis in exit speeds. They catch up only during late breakings into corners for the Panigale has an exceptional breaks.

AntiHero

Dare I say that I prefer the 1098R on the street? My mind keeps telling me the Panigale is better, but my body disagrees. Every connection between the rider on the 1098R is better. The brakes feel more powerful and are easier to modulate, the 1098R engine is far more predictable and linear, the throtte control and fueling are far superior on the R and the suspension feels more stable and compliant (following RSR, who was on my 1199 S proved that point). I even like the ergos better on the R.

The two negatives? The dry clutch, which screams like a teradactyl and shudders unless you launch all-out (or baby it), and the valve-adjustment intervals.

The only analogy I can think of when comparing the two is--would you rather drive a 991 or a GT3 RS? (I know which I'd choose.)

mig1199

JC....I just spoke to Glenn Aguilar - our current SBK champ...he used to race the 1098R of Toti which essentially is an 1198 engine. He just raced the 1199 Panigale of Toti at the Ducati Cup last Oct.7 at the Clark Int'l Speedway.

This is what Glenn Aguilar claims: The 1199 Panigale "S" with full Termi Exhaust simply has a better top end over the 1098R. Torque wise, the 1098R is raw and was a monster, (Stronger Torque) but according to Glenn, the 1098R wanted to lift its front end in all exits while the Panigale has a softer hit making it easier for Glenn to ride faster.

Top End of the SuperQuadro powered 1199 engine is miles ahead of the Testatretta powered 1098R...the 1199 is more agile and more flickable...Thus, giving him a quicker lap time then on the 1098R...that's what Glenn said...

When is your Tricolore scheduled to come in?

Miguel B.
Philippines

CaliDuc

+1. I got the 1199 Tricolore and just picked up a 1098 S Tricolore. I am in the process of moding the 1098 S. Similar thought processes. Don't get me started on the cars and boat thing.