Anyone with a 1199 also own a S1000RR?

WAfatboy · October 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM

I rode a 2012 BMW S1000RR yesterday and I was impressed. The power was creamy smooth at any revs/gear, it sounded great under acceleration, was comfortable (you sit in not on the bike) and the ride was so planted it felt like it was magnetically attached to the road.

The only dynamics that I didn't like was the 'flickability' which was slower than the 1199. I also found the exhaust note somewhat 'droney' after an hour of riding. Aesthetically the bike is a dogs dinner with a strange mix of plastics and textures and everything seems to be asymmetric.

I'm considering trading my Harley in to get the BMW but I wonder if I would use one more than the other or would one of them languish in the garage? The BMW is a better commuter, and potentially a better tourer.

The other lingering thought for me was why can't I get the 1199 to feel so planted on the road? I've charged the rear spring and tweaked the DES a lot but still way more nervous at the front especially.

Sleekstyle · October 14th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Love that bike but why make it so ugly ? Though the 1199 is rough, uncomfortable, crazy it's more importantly SEXY! Hence I dropped the extra dough on it

BlueBear · October 14th, 2012, 11:31 AM

i rode the BMW s1000rr

hate it
pros
ya great engine, power delivery, heat grips, confy
cons
ugly as fuxx, boring, terrible shape and corners

but i rather get my old k7 gixxer then it
if you gonna talk about tour bikes try the multistrato "pikes peak" b4 you make a decision

DucSyd · October 14th, 2012, 02:04 PM

I had a first shipment Motorsport model, had it for a few years and put about 10,000ks on it. By the way it had a number of recalls too. No big deal just part of being an early adopter.

I had a number of additions on it including an Austin racing exhaust etc. I brought it for mainly track work, to replace my Honda CBR 1000 track bike. For that duty is virtually faultless. And the power is simply mind altering.

What was a revelation though was how good a road bike it was, hence all the Km's, I used this then as my main road bike for long rides, and in this duty again it is hard to fault, pretty much perfect and the BMW quailty and service was exceptional.

I have had Ducati's for over 20 years, but just felt I wanted to experience the BMW so paid a deposit about 6 months before realease sight unseen. By the way I thought it looked fantastic, don't know why people call it ugly?

When I saw the details of the Panigale coming out I felt it was like Ducati's answer to the BMW, I also thought most traditional Ducatisti would not like it. But, for me, I had to have it. And paid a deposit last November again sight unseen.

I kept the BMW as it was just too good to part with it. That all changed when I picked up the Panigale. This was a modern Ducati, but felt very similar to the BMW in its riding position, handling and even power, plus it trumped it with the electronics and the electronic suspension. Plus it is Red and is a Ducati so that was enough for me to sell the BMW.

I don't regret it, the superquadro engine is simply sensational, but you would not be unhappy on either one. If you could pick up a cheap S1000 for a track tool go for it, you won't regret it. Oh, and every one should experience an S1000 in slick mode on the track once in their life...as I said, mind altering. It is amazing that Ducati can now produce a road twin, that will hold it's own against this insane BMW.

Aus1199s · October 14th, 2012, 08:35 PM

arrrr the S1000RR... i do miss the power of it! but the 1199 is so easy to throw around! and that feeling the bmw could never give...

mat1529 · October 15th, 2012, 02:05 AM

Mmm I use to ride my S1000 in slick mode all the Time in the dry on the road, and its strange, I've never ridden a Ducati before owning the 1199S and all the figures put the BMW ahead of the 1199, but I honestly feel so much quicker and faster on my 1199! The torque is amazing on it. On the Beemer yes it is fast and I loved it, but for me the 1199 is far more comfortable and far far more enjoyable to ride, my cheeks are aching every time I come home from a ride on the Ducati, every time I see a corner coming its pure joy, sorry just didn't get that with the S1000, but like people have said would have one for a track bike, but certainly have not regretted selling my BMW at all for this bad boy Ducati. I didn't and don't think the Beemer looks ugly at all, it's just the Panigale makes it look so dated, and I am actually also looking forward to the early dark evenings now, because the lights are amazing!

WAfatboy · October 15th, 2012, 02:52 AM

Thanks for the input guys. Not a decisive answer I guess as per my experience. I think the accessibility of the power is probably the really big difference, with the nimble handling being the trade off for the planted feel. The looks are a personal preference, and I tend to agree that it's a 'handsome or purposeful' looking bike rather than a beautiful one like the Panigale. Don't get me wrong not thinking of trading the 1199, I've always ridden Italian bikes but the Harley is definitely at risk!

George Villar · October 15th, 2012, 05:15 AM

The S1000rr on the track is very stable and it's chassis relays great feedback to the rider from the rear tire. Very predicatable. The Panigale, in my opinion gives no warning at all before it gets out of shape. By then it's too late. I must say that I will try the same slick that's on my BMW on the 1199 and see if the feel is improved.

Two totally different machines and can't really be compared. The only similarity is they both have 2 wheels and requires a professional rider to extract every bit - and I'm not. Most of us aren't.

BigBoost · October 15th, 2012, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Villar

The S1000rr on the track is very stable and it's chassis relays great feedback to the rider from the rear tire. Very predicatable. The Panigale, in my opinion gives no warning at all before it gets out of shape. By then it's too late. I must say that I will try the same slick that's on my BMW on the 1199 and see if the feel is improved.

Two totally different machines and can't really be compared. The only similarity is they both have 2 wheels and requires a professional rider to extract every bit - and I'm not. Most of us aren't.

+1. I have both bikes & they are so different it's truly not fair to compare them.

Other than both being liter bikes, they are completely different animals.

What everyone else has stated above is true:

S1000RR - Very predictable, very easy to ride & very planted. Does everything very well and comfortable, but it's very heavy compared to my 1199.

1199 - I get more looks on my Tricolore than any other bike I have. Stunning to look at, by far and away one of the best sounding bikes, I've every had. Feels like the earth is shaking compared to the BMW. Very comfortable with the racing seat, but I am still struggling with getting the suspension set-up for me.

Sometimes the S1000RR is boring compared to the 1199, which as so much more torque in the lower rev's.

I love them both for different reasons.... I have a deposit down on the S1000RR HP4, so we'll see how the compares.

Which would I pick, if I had too... Man that would be really tough. Depends what I was looking for in a bike.

Aus1199s · October 15th, 2012, 12:57 PM

hmmm that HP4 (track pack) could be a game changer again!

DucSyd · October 15th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Yes until Ducati bring out the R or SP version, the game will go on and on, in sport bike world it never ends.

supduc10 · October 18th, 2012, 01:32 PM

I"m not here to berate any other bikes let alone the beemer. I"ve been in the auto trade for 30+ years and I know BMW know how to make an engine. So I wasn"t surprised when it became the most powerful road bike out there as I knew what kind of internal tech it was harbouring after working on the road cars. Anyway I digress,the main thing i would like to add from my experience with my Pani is there aint no other bike in the world like it. You dont take a Pani out for a ride you go out together,just like mates hitting the town friday night. The Pani talks to you when your out together,its an indescribable experience to someone that hasn"t felt it. Any one else agree?,the noises it makes,the sensations it garners,its got life,it aint just another machine. Am I away with the fairies,looking through rose tinted specs,mad,stupid,or a hopeless romantic??? or do my words make sense to any other owners???

littlejohn · October 18th, 2012, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supduc10

I"m not here to berate any other bikes let alone the beemer. I"ve been in the auto trade for 30+ years and I know BMW know how to make an engine. So I wasn"t surprised when it became the most powerful road bike out there as I knew what kind of internal tech it was harbouring after working on the road cars. Anyway I digress,the main thing i would like to add from my experience with my Pani is there aint no other bike in the world like it. You dont take a Pani out for a ride you go out together,just like mates hitting the town friday night. The Pani talks to you when your out together,its an indescribable experience to someone that hasn"t felt it. Any one else agree?,the noises it makes,the sensations it garners,its got life,it aint just another machine. Am I away with the fairies,looking through rose tinted specs,mad,stupid,or a hopeless romantic??? or do my words make sense to any other owners???

lol... I think you need to go see someone

...
But yes.. even with my very limited experience, I know exactly what you're talking about.

WAfatboy · October 18th, 2012, 02:42 PM

Haha...Supduc10 completely agree but to use another analogy for my experience - I'm completely in love with a beautiful, dark eyed, brunette Italian girlfriend and am convinced nothing else can compare, then on a night out with the boys I meet this fit blonde German girl, she's completely different and not my 'type' we 'hit it off' and she's amazing, different, but amazing. Now if I had to live with her everyday maybe she'd be a PITA and I feel guilty but there was something there that makes me wanna go back for more

Quiet Bloke · October 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM

I've only test ridden them. The BMW felt perfect; comfy, precise, clinical and above all boring. The ducati by comparison is raw and has faults but none of them matter cause of the feel. It's like the Ducati has a soul and the BMW just doesn't. I totally understand when people say the bike "talks to them". The BMW is either mute or has nothing to say. Can't fault the BMW but there's not much to love either. Just my 2c.

supduc10 · October 19th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WAfatboy

Haha...Supduc10 completely agree but to use another analogy for my experience - I'm completely in love with a beautiful, dark eyed, brunette Italian girlfriend and am convinced nothing else can compare, then on a night out with the boys I meet this fit blonde German girl, she's completely different and not my 'type' we 'hit it off' and she's amazing, different, but amazing. Now if I had to live with her everyday maybe she'd be a PITA and I feel guilty but there was something there that makes me wanna go back for more

Roger that WAf,pardon the pun lol. Just curious,i either dont get out enough or need to listen more but what the F is a PITA? here in the UK we put kebabs in them,but i"m guessing its not one of them haha

Venomous · October 19th, 2012, 02:07 PM

PITA - Pain in the Arse

gobozo · October 19th, 2012, 02:47 PM

Thanks everyone. This has been a big help to me as well. I'm liking the HP4 but I have an inline 4. I think it's time an Italian was in my garage.

Nikt · October 19th, 2012, 11:37 PM

Picked up my bike today and spoke with a nice guy who rides an 1199S and sold his S1000.
Bottom line the 1199 is way easier to ride whereas with the S1000 you need to put in the effort (=heavier)...as a track bike he said respect for the S1000 engine

Joker · October 20th, 2012, 01:27 AM

I had an S1000RR and an 1198s at the same time and traded them both in for my 1199 Tric. The RR was a great bike and easier to ride fast than the 98s. The Tric is better than both and feels way more planted than the RR ever did. Maybe it's personal preference or individual set up?

The Tric has a soul and is not just a bike. The RR was just a bike.

October 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM	#1
WAfatboy Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 875 Thanks: 287 I Ride: Ducati 1199s	Anyone with a 1199 also own a S1000RR? I rode a 2012 BMW S1000RR yesterday and I was impressed. The power was creamy smooth at any revs/gear, it sounded great under acceleration, was comfortable (you sit in not on the bike) and the ride was so planted it felt like it was magnetically attached to the road. The only dynamics that I didn't like was the 'flickability' which was slower than the 1199. I also found the exhaust note somewhat 'droney' after an hour of riding. Aesthetically the bike is a dogs dinner with a strange mix of plastics and textures and everything seems to be asymmetric. I'm considering trading my Harley in to get the BMW but I wonder if I would use one more than the other or would one of them languish in the garage? The BMW is a better commuter, and potentially a better tourer. The other lingering thought for me was why can't I get the 1199 to feel so planted on the road? I've charged the rear spring and tweaked the DES a lot but still way more nervous at the front especially. Last edited by WAfatboy; October 14th, 2012 at 09:55 AM.

October 14th, 2012, 11:31 AM	#3
BlueBear Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 296 Thanks: 36 I Ride: White 1199S w/ ABS	i rode the BMW s1000rr hate it pros ya great engine, power delivery, heat grips, confy cons ugly as fuxx, boring, terrible shape and corners but i rather get my old k7 gixxer then it if you gonna talk about tour bikes try the multistrato "pikes peak" b4 you make a decision Last edited by BlueBear; October 14th, 2012 at 11:33 AM.

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Sleekstyle Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: SoCal Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 I Ride: Panigale / Fireblade	Love that bike but why make it so ugly ? Though the 1199 is rough, uncomfortable, crazy it's more importantly SEXY! Hence I dropped the extra dough on it

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Aus1199s Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Sydney Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 I Ride: RS125>S1000RR>1199S	arrrr the S1000RR... i do miss the power of it! but the 1199 is so easy to throw around! and that feeling the bmw could never give...

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mat1529 Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: UK Posts: 335 Thanks: 0	Mmm I use to ride my S1000 in slick mode all the Time in the dry on the road, and its strange, I've never ridden a Ducati before owning the 1199S and all the figures put the BMW ahead of the 1199, but I honestly feel so much quicker and faster on my 1199! The torque is amazing on it. On the Beemer yes it is fast and I loved it, but for me the 1199 is far more comfortable and far far more enjoyable to ride, my cheeks are aching every time I come home from a ride on the Ducati, every time I see a corner coming its pure joy, sorry just didn't get that with the S1000, but like people have said would have one for a track bike, but certainly have not regretted selling my BMW at all for this bad boy Ducati. I didn't and don't think the Beemer looks ugly at all, it's just the Panigale makes it look so dated, and I am actually also looking forward to the early dark evenings now, because the lights are amazing!

October 15th, 2012, 02:52 AM	#7
WAfatboy Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 875 Thanks: 287 I Ride: Ducati 1199s	Thanks for the input guys. Not a decisive answer I guess as per my experience. I think the accessibility of the power is probably the really big difference, with the nimble handling being the trade off for the planted feel. The looks are a personal preference, and I tend to agree that it's a 'handsome or purposeful' looking bike rather than a beautiful one like the Panigale. Don't get me wrong not thinking of trading the 1199, I've always ridden Italian bikes but the Harley is definitely at risk!

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George Villar Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: New York City Posts: 426 Thanks: 68 I Ride: Ducati 1199 Tricolore S, 1199 Panigale ABS, Bimota Tesi2D,DB-7,DB1,etc. BMW alpha Racing s1000rr	The S1000rr on the track is very stable and it's chassis relays great feedback to the rider from the rear tire. Very predicatable. The Panigale, in my opinion gives no warning at all before it gets out of shape. By then it's too late. I must say that I will try the same slick that's on my BMW on the 1199 and see if the feel is improved. Two totally different machines and can't really be compared. The only similarity is they both have 2 wheels and requires a professional rider to extract every bit - and I'm not. Most of us aren't.

October 15th, 2012, 12:57 PM	#10
Aus1199s Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Sydney Posts: 80 Thanks: 2 I Ride: RS125>S1000RR>1199S	hmmm that HP4 (track pack) could be a game changer again!

October 15th, 2012, 02:07 PM	#11
DucSyd Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: Sydney, Australia Posts: 162 Thanks: 16 I Ride: Ducati 1199S; Ducati 1098R; Ducati 748R	Yes until Ducati bring out the R or SP version, the game will go on and on, in sport bike world it never ends.

October 18th, 2012, 01:32 PM	#12
supduc10 Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Wallasey UK Posts: 306 Thanks: 8	I"m not here to berate any other bikes let alone the beemer. I"ve been in the auto trade for 30+ years and I know BMW know how to make an engine. So I wasn"t surprised when it became the most powerful road bike out there as I knew what kind of internal tech it was harbouring after working on the road cars. Anyway I digress,the main thing i would like to add from my experience with my Pani is there aint no other bike in the world like it. You dont take a Pani out for a ride you go out together,just like mates hitting the town friday night. The Pani talks to you when your out together,its an indescribable experience to someone that hasn"t felt it. Any one else agree?,the noises it makes,the sensations it garners,its got life,it aint just another machine. Am I away with the fairies,looking through rose tinted specs,mad,stupid,or a hopeless romantic??? or do my words make sense to any other owners???

October 18th, 2012, 02:42 PM	#14
WAfatboy Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 875 Thanks: 287 I Ride: Ducati 1199s	Haha...Supduc10 completely agree but to use another analogy for my experience - I'm completely in love with a beautiful, dark eyed, brunette Italian girlfriend and am convinced nothing else can compare, then on a night out with the boys I meet this fit blonde German girl, she's completely different and not my 'type' we 'hit it off' and she's amazing, different, but amazing. Now if I had to live with her everyday maybe she'd be a PITA and I feel guilty but there was something there that makes me wanna go back for more

October 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM	#15
Quiet Bloke Junior Member Joined: Sep 2012 From: Australia Posts: 28 Thanks: 0	I've only test ridden them. The BMW felt perfect; comfy, precise, clinical and above all boring. The ducati by comparison is raw and has faults but none of them matter cause of the feel. It's like the Ducati has a soul and the BMW just doesn't. I totally understand when people say the bike "talks to them". The BMW is either mute or has nothing to say. Can't fault the BMW but there's not much to love either. Just my 2c.

October 19th, 2012, 02:07 PM	#17
Venomous Junior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Boston Posts: 18 Thanks: 0	PITA - Pain in the Arse

October 19th, 2012, 02:47 PM	#18
gobozo Junior Member Joined: Oct 2012 From: New York Posts: 14 Thanks: 0	Thanks everyone. This has been a big help to me as well. I'm liking the HP4 but I have an inline 4. I think it's time an Italian was in my garage.

October 19th, 2012, 11:37 PM	#19
Nikt Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: not your biz Posts: 158 Thanks: 15 I Ride: 1199 S Tri	Picked up my bike today and spoke with a nice guy who rides an 1199S and sold his S1000. Bottom line the 1199 is way easier to ride whereas with the S1000 you need to put in the effort (=heavier)...as a track bike he said respect for the S1000 engine

October 20th, 2012, 01:27 AM	#20
Joker Junior Member Joined: Oct 2012 From: Leeds UK Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 1199 Tric	I had an S1000RR and an 1198s at the same time and traded them both in for my 1199 Tric. The RR was a great bike and easier to ride fast than the 98s. The Tric is better than both and feels way more planted than the RR ever did. Maybe it's personal preference or individual set up? The Tric has a soul and is not just a bike. The RR was just a bike.