Ducati's built in BRAZIL? Really?

George Villar · October 24th, 2012, 07:37 AM

FYI, read the highlighted text below…. how will we know if bikes built in Brazil are offered for sale in the US at some point?

Starting from October 2012, “Ducati do Brasil Indústria e Comércio de Motocicletas Ltda.” will manage the distribution and service Ducati products all over the national territory. Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A has full control of the new company and has appointed Ricardo Susini as its Managing Director and Marco Truzzi as Service & After Sales Manager. The new structure is based in Sao Paulo and, after completing all necessary formalities, will operate through an efficient sales network covering the entire Brazilian territory.

Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. also confirms its cooperation with DAFRA da Amazônia Indústria e Comércio de Motocicletas Ltda. for CKD assembly of Ducati motorcycles in Brazil. Local assembly in Brazil will allow the company to avoid stiff import taxes. Production at the Manaus plant will start within the next few weeks, with the first motorcycles delivered to a constantly growing and impressively evolving market. Ducati will carry out an increasingly important and strategic role in Brazil, confirming a positive growth trend world-wide, which has characterised this iconic manufacturer over the past few years.

George Villar · October 24th, 2012, 07:40 AM

Ducati Brazil Opens for Business with Local Manufacturing | Ducati News Today

BlueBear · October 24th, 2012, 08:22 AM

This annoys me cuz ducati is cutting off from there roots. If this the case in future i rather buy a jap bike where i know there is quality and reliability. 3rd biggest means shit. Its just italian and japanese on the market.

jimmymendoza · October 24th, 2012, 08:54 AM

At least we all got our Pani's before this happened.

BlueBear · October 24th, 2012, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmymendoza

At least we all got our Pani's before this happened.

also means future ducati from brazil. your next part will be from brazil, and still overpriced shit from brazil. its like say would you mind i replace one of your bike parts with china aftermarket?

jimmymendoza · October 24th, 2012, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBear

also means future ducati from brazil. your next part will be from brazil, and still overpriced shit from brazil. its like say would you mind i replace one of your bike parts with china aftermarket?

Good point

Stw · October 24th, 2012, 09:16 AM

Are you guys worries about Quality Control???

kensteele · October 24th, 2012, 09:19 AM

probably have to wait and see. not all models and it did say assembly.

Phil · October 24th, 2012, 09:21 AM

Everybody who wants to sell something in Brazil needs to produce there, as they have horrendous import taxes. We use 35% in our calculations.
VW started that decades ago, everybody else does it right now (interesting market), so why not?
I doubt any of these machines will be for export (emissions and safety)

Cheers

jyli19 · October 24th, 2012, 09:22 AM

wait, this applies to the Brazil market only right, perhaps neighboring territories. my Ducati still comse from Bosnia, no?

BlueBear · October 24th, 2012, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stw

Are you guys worries about Quality Control???

worry it lost its value in meaning.
you cant say you own a italian bike anymore freely. mite even have to prove it sumtimes. ruins resale. ducati image etc, servicing. all in the name to make a extra buck...

i seen few big companies go this direction
1 gone broke from australia and the others are not goin so well

once you say sumthing proudly that you own sumthings we all know and trust.
you cant back and this is goin back for ducati.

like saying Snap On tools made in thailand
harley D made in canada
estwing made in mexico or brazil or china

brands we once knew isnt a brand
maybe ducati just want to be know as its just another motorcycle.
rather then "thats a DUCATI"

BlueBear · October 24th, 2012, 09:35 AM

adding another comment after reading some of the comments

hope its only for brazil
but why?
all of asia pays a tax of 300% market value (65kUS for a panigale S)
there is the biggest market of them all
everywhere is asia are on scooters and motorcycle
why not start a ducati there. or maybe im speaking to soon

Cloner · October 24th, 2012, 09:45 AM

I'm 100% certain this facility is intended to serve only the Brazilian market. The corporation I work for (at my day job) owns a facility in Brazil for the same reason....to circumvent Brazil's oppresive import tariffs. If a product is assembled in Brazil there is no import duty!

The bikes will be built in Italy, partially disassembled, then reassembled in Brazil. Done. I'll lay odds the facility will have fewer than 50 employees.

Same thing is done with vehicles in the US, for what it's worth. For instance, Ford builds the Transit van in Turkey. They add seats so it's a passenger van, 'cause the import tariffs on passenger vehicles is low, but the import tariff on cargo vehicles is high. The seats are removed and discarded in the States and the vehicle is turned into a cargo vehicle. It's cheaper to discard the seats than it is to pay the tariff!

Relax. Your next Ducati, should you chose to buy another, will be made in Italy unless you live in Brazil or in parts of the Asian market where they also have a manufacturing facility to serve that market. You actually spoke too late, Blue Bear...that facility already exists.

Nando · October 24th, 2012, 10:20 AM

You guys are assuming things when saying the bikes built in Brazil wouldn't be the same as the ones in Europe in term of quality. Brazil is one of the most advanced countries in the world regarding mechanical engineering. Just do a research about the alcohol use as fuel for the last 40 years in Brazil. No other country has a program like that in that extent. All major manufacturers in Brazil (Ford, VW and Fiat) have been producing for almost a decade now cars with a flex engine, which used either alcohol or gas. I've seen very good quality things done in Brazil, especially the women

tstephenson · October 24th, 2012, 10:23 AM

Just because they open a factory in Brazil doesn't mean all models will be manufactured there. There may be a limited number of models created and they may be specific to Brazil and Mexico

zvez · October 24th, 2012, 10:41 AM

As someone else pointed out, this is for ASSEMBLY in the brazilian market, not for export, to get around import duties, triumphs doing the same thing with some of their bikes in the far east.

No biggie

That said, I wouldn't buy a brazilian ducati, I want an Italian built ducati with all the caveats and pitfalls that entails.

jimmymendoza · October 24th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Touché. I will say I may have jumped the gun on my comments. I think people feel like, if they are paying for a Harley they expect it to be from USA and made in the USA or in this case a Ducati from Italy. Maybe I'm wrong. In any event i'm not putting Brazil down as a country and their sufficiency on creating or building a Ducati product.

Cloner · October 25th, 2012, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmymendoza

I think people feel like, if they are paying for a Harley they expect it to be from USA and made in the USA......

Oddly enough, my Harley Davidson was manufactured in Varese, Italy.

Go figure, huh?

jimmymendoza · October 25th, 2012, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloner

Oddly enough, my Harley Davidson was manufactured in Varese, Italy.

Go figure, huh?

Lol. What would be more odd if your Pani was made in the USA. Twilight zone moment

jarelj · October 25th, 2012, 01:41 PM

Ducati has assembly plants in Brazil and India now, and they told us at the dealer meeting the past two years that these plants are intended for the sole purpose of serving the local markets due to import restrictions/tariffs. All other markets are getting bikes assembled out of Bologna, and will continue to. Ducati knows the expectation of Ducatisti in the "mainstream" markets is that they are getting an Italian bike, and that will continue to be the case.

October 24th, 2012, 07:37 AM	#1
George Villar Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: New York City Posts: 426 Thanks: 68 I Ride: Ducati 1199 Tricolore S, 1199 Panigale ABS, Bimota Tesi2D,DB-7,DB1,etc. BMW alpha Racing s1000rr	Ducati's built in BRAZIL? Really? FYI, read the highlighted text below…. how will we know if bikes built in Brazil are offered for sale in the US at some point? Starting from October 2012, “Ducati do Brasil Indústria e Comércio de Motocicletas Ltda.” will manage the distribution and service Ducati products all over the national territory. Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A has full control of the new company and has appointed Ricardo Susini as its Managing Director and Marco Truzzi as Service & After Sales Manager. The new structure is based in Sao Paulo and, after completing all necessary formalities, will operate through an efficient sales network covering the entire Brazilian territory. Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. also confirms its cooperation with DAFRA da Amazônia Indústria e Comércio de Motocicletas Ltda. for CKD assembly of Ducati motorcycles in Brazil. Local assembly in Brazil will allow the company to avoid stiff import taxes. Production at the Manaus plant will start within the next few weeks, with the first motorcycles delivered to a constantly growing and impressively evolving market. Ducati will carry out an increasingly important and strategic role in Brazil, confirming a positive growth trend world-wide, which has characterised this iconic manufacturer over the past few years.

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Phil Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: my garage Posts: 1,318 Thanks: 150 I Ride: oh yes, I do!!!	Everybody who wants to sell something in Brazil needs to produce there, as they have horrendous import taxes. We use 35% in our calculations. VW started that decades ago, everybody else does it right now (interesting market), so why not? I doubt any of these machines will be for export (emissions and safety) Cheers

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jyli19 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: So-Cal Posts: 346 Thanks: 12	wait, this applies to the Brazil market only right, perhaps neighboring territories. my Ducati still comse from Bosnia, no?

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Nando Junior Member Joined: Oct 2012 From: Vancouver Posts: 1 Thanks: 0	You guys are assuming things when saying the bikes built in Brazil wouldn't be the same as the ones in Europe in term of quality. Brazil is one of the most advanced countries in the world regarding mechanical engineering. Just do a research about the alcohol use as fuel for the last 40 years in Brazil. No other country has a program like that in that extent. All major manufacturers in Brazil (Ford, VW and Fiat) have been producing for almost a decade now cars with a flex engine, which used either alcohol or gas. I've seen very good quality things done in Brazil, especially the women

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zvez Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: ga Posts: 1,701 Thanks: 145	As someone else pointed out, this is for ASSEMBLY in the brazilian market, not for export, to get around import duties, triumphs doing the same thing with some of their bikes in the far east. No biggie That said, I wouldn't buy a brazilian ducati, I want an Italian built ducati with all the caveats and pitfalls that entails.

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jimmymendoza Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Lower Merion Posts: 203 Thanks: 1 I Ride: "Lamborghini, Pani...your chick she's so thirsty"	Touché. I will say I may have jumped the gun on my comments. I think people feel like, if they are paying for a Harley they expect it to be from USA and made in the USA or in this case a Ducati from Italy. Maybe I'm wrong. In any event i'm not putting Brazil down as a country and their sufficiency on creating or building a Ducati product.

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jarelj Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Omaha, NE USA Posts: 347 Thanks: 33 I Ride: 1199 Panigale	Ducati has assembly plants in Brazil and India now, and they told us at the dealer meeting the past two years that these plants are intended for the sole purpose of serving the local markets due to import restrictions/tariffs. All other markets are getting bikes assembled out of Bologna, and will continue to. Ducati knows the expectation of Ducatisti in the "mainstream" markets is that they are getting an Italian bike, and that will continue to be the case.