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Old January 5th, 2013, 01:33 AM   #1
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BMW HP4 vs BMW S1000RR vs Ducati 1199 Panigale S vs Ducati 1199!

Now I don't know how many of you guys have read this article but I'd guess not too many, since more than half of this forums members are american you probably haven't read the magazine MOTORRAD.

They've pitted the standard S1000RR against the HP4, and then the standard 1199 against the 1199S - and they also compared laps between both the BMW's and the 1199's!

The track is Calafat and the rider is ex IDM rider Christian Kellner. All bikes have been equipped with the same tyres, Supercorsa SP.

First off the HP4 dynoed 200 hp, the S1000RR 199 and both panigales dynoed 186 hp (all at the crank).

Between the BMW's there was a huge difference. The S1000RR lapped in 1:32,00 min and the Hp4 lapped in 1:30,9. They say that the extra torque, and the better race abs/traction system is the biggest difference, but also the lighter wheels make a huge impact on the laptime.

Now to the interesting part, the 1199 vs the 1199S! They reported that the 1199 felt easier and more balanced to drive than the 1199S.

The 1199 did the lap in 1:31,5 min and the 1199S did it in 1:31,0 min. The 1199 was faster than the standard S1000RR but the 1199S was slower than the HP4.

The data stuff shows that the S1000RR was faster on the straight parts on the track (high speed corners etc). 257 km/h for the 1199 on the straight compared to 266 km/h for the HP4... huge difference. But in the twisty part of the track the 1199 is faster and makes up for the lost time.

I'd say the standard 1199 is probably most value for the money! I'm quite impressed of this test, and I guess the 1199's didn't even have the latest up map... which would bring all bikes even closer in terms of performance.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #2
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thanks for posting! That's a great road test!

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Now I don't know how many of you guys have read this article but I'd guess not too many, since more than half of this forums members are american you probably haven't read the magazine MOTORRAD.

They've pitted the standard S1000RR against the HP4, and then the standard 1199 against the 1199S - and they also compared laps between both the BMW's and the 1199's!

The track is Calafat and the rider is ex IDM rider Christian Kellner. All bikes have been equipped with the same tyres, Supercorsa SP.

First off the HP4 dynoed 200 hp, the S1000RR 199 and both panigales dynoed 186 hp (all at the crank).

Between the BMW's there was a huge difference. The S1000RR lapped in 1:32,00 min and the Hp4 lapped in 1:30,9. They say that the extra torque, and the better race abs/traction system is the biggest difference, but also the lighter wheels make a huge impact on the laptime.

Now to the interesting part, the 1199 vs the 1199S! They reported that the 1199 felt easier and more balanced to drive than the 1199S.

The 1199 did the lap in 1:31,5 min and the 1199S did it in 1:31,0 min. The 1199 was faster than the standard S1000RR but the 1199S was slower than the HP4.

The data stuff shows that the S1000RR was faster on the straight parts on the track (high speed corners etc). 257 km/h for the 1199 on the straight compared to 266 km/h for the HP4... huge difference. But in the twisty part of the track the 1199 is faster and makes up for the lost time.

I'd say the standard 1199 is probably most value for the money! I'm quite impressed of this test, and I guess the 1199's didn't even have the latest up map... which would bring all bikes even closer in terms of performance.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 03:08 AM   #3
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Surprised the Pani lapped that fast

TBH, we know that Ducati don't usually get that close to the reigning class leader with their road going models.
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Old January 5th, 2013, 04:46 AM   #4
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Cool test. Thanks for sharing. How did they dyno them at the crank?
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Old January 5th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #5
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Interesting Read, 1199 Base The Way To Go

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Old January 5th, 2013, 07:12 AM   #6
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I knew all this a year ago, that is why I ordered the standard over the S
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Interesting result. Was this article published after the November remap was released?

Through the corners its probably about the accessable midrange torque of the 1199, especially with the remap loaded. For straight line speed its more about HP vs. drag. I wonder if the extra width of the 1000RR/HP4 is making it more aero dynamic because less of the rider is sticking out into the airflow from behind the farings. Maybe the 1199 aero winglets aren't just marketing spin?

Why should there be much between standard and S, assuming they're both setup correctly? Other than the lighter wheels I don't see DES making a big difference - its more about convenience than performance; I don't need a tool kit, 30 minutes and assistance to adjust the suspension.
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My question how many here will ride the bike at that level?

I figure if I can ride the Panigale to 50% of it's capabilities I'm doing ok.
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Now I don't know how many of you guys have read this article but I'd guess not too many, since more than half of this forums members are american you probably haven't read the magazine MOTORRAD.

They've pitted the standard S1000RR against the HP4, and then the standard 1199 against the 1199S - and they also compared laps between both the BMW's and the 1199's!

The track is Calafat and the rider is ex IDM rider Christian Kellner. All bikes have been equipped with the same tyres, Supercorsa SP.

First off the HP4 dynoed 200 hp, the S1000RR 199 and both panigales dynoed 186 hp (all at the crank).

Between the BMW's there was a huge difference. The S1000RR lapped in 1:32,00 min and the Hp4 lapped in 1:30,9. They say that the extra torque, and the better race abs/traction system is the biggest difference, but also the lighter wheels make a huge impact on the laptime.

Now to the interesting part, the 1199 vs the 1199S! They reported that the 1199 felt easier and more balanced to drive than the 1199S.

The 1199 did the lap in 1:31,5 min and the 1199S did it in 1:31,0 min. The 1199 was faster than the standard S1000RR but the 1199S was slower than the HP4.

The data stuff shows that the S1000RR was faster on the straight parts on the track (high speed corners etc). 257 km/h for the 1199 on the straight compared to 266 km/h for the HP4... huge difference. But in the twisty part of the track the 1199 is faster and makes up for the lost time.

I'd say the standard 1199 is probably most value for the money! I'm quite impressed of this test, and I guess the 1199's didn't even have the latest up map... which would bring all bikes even closer in terms of performance.
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can you send me a scan of the test? car4philip at gmail dot com
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Great data! Can you provide a link or scan and post the pages for us?

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