How to confirm the latest Up Map

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 07:11 AM

Ok, so I have read the "OMG" stories about the new up map. I for one am not impressed what so ever. In fact, I beleive that the Termi slip on is better for raw horse power. So here is my question.

Did my dealer do something wrong and how would I confirm that I indeed have the latest version of the UP MAP. I am going to put the Termi UP MAP back onto the bike if there is no way of confirming the version.

Thanks,
Victor

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 07:23 AM

Ok, the only difference is the presence of the Word Racing vs Racing EVO. I did not download the base back to the bike prior to taking it to the dealer so I am basically screwed with the UP MAP that they put on as the "best" performance. So note to you other guys. If you are considering the up map, download the map first so that it writes the current map back to the dongle. Then take it to the dealer. If you don't like the map, plug the dongle back in once you get home and you're back to what you had.

As previously stated before on the forum. Once you download the UP MAP the system puts the original/current program back to the dongle. THIS SUCKS!!

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 08:17 AM

Ok, the way the dongles work are simply keys to unlock the maps on the ECU. If you had the upmap, you are just unlocking the "new" upmap setting with the dongle. I installed headers after the upmap and uploaded the new map with no issues. Bike feels better than before.

MUNDMAN · January 20th, 2013, 01:01 PM

Are speaking of the up map for exhaust or the new Ecu flash? The ecu flash is done with a laptop at the dealer. No dongle.

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 01:02 PM

I think he's worried the upmap would cancel out the ECU flash, this is not the case.

MUNDMAN · January 20th, 2013, 01:05 PM

That is correct sir!

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 01:10 PM

Just a note if anyone cares, I found this odd.

I had slips before flash. Used slip up map. Had flash, then installed the headers. The full up map wouldn't take until I tried using the slip up-map first. IDK if that's normal. Maybe you have to remove one to put the other on, just thought it was odd and worried me at first.

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 01:29 PM

So this is an ECU flash not an UP MAP? So how do you confirm the ECU Flash version? I am guessing that unless you have the PC, you can't. Either way, I am not impressed with the "change" what ever form it takes and I guess I will have to take it back to the dealer to get the original version back. I sure hope that is an option!

Thanks for the information.

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavic

So this is an ECU flash not an UP MAP. So how do you confirm the ECU Flash version? I am guessing that unless you have the PC, you can't. Like I said, not impressed with the "change" what ever form it takes.

I couldn't find a way outside of subjectively on a test ride.

MUNDMAN · January 20th, 2013, 01:30 PM

Dealer told me you can't. He can go online to see if you bike needs the update, like a recall by vin.

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUNDMAN

Are speaking of the up map for exhaust or the new Ecu flash? The ecu flash is done with a laptop at the dealer. No dongle.

Don't know what the ECU flash does differently from the dongle. My guess is they are similar changes to the mapping of the fuel like I used with my power commander. Sure the dealer uses a laptop as they carry the versions on files. The dongle is the end user friendly component. It would be interesting to know the true difference in changes between the ECU Flash and the UP MAP from a dongle from a dealer.

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 01:37 PM

Um, not really. The ECU flash, is well a flash (complete rewrite of the device)... The dongle simply unlocks the corresponding map already on the ECU.

If you're not familiar with terms like flash, BIOS, and firmware you may not get it. Like a computer you can flash the motherboard to update the BIOS (between firmware and software). It rewrites all blocks of the memory. Firmware is the layer between the hardware and software, and uses machine code. It takes a "flash" to install firmware.

MUNDMAN · January 20th, 2013, 02:53 PM

Well said!

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TransNone13

Um, not really. The ECU flash, is well a flash (complete rewrite of the device)... The dongle simply unlocks the corresponding map already on the ECU.

If you're not familiar with terms like flash, BIOS, and firmware you may not get it. Like a computer you can flash the motherboard to update the BIOS (between firmware and software). It rewrites all blocks of the memory. Firmware is the layer between the hardware and software, and uses machine code. It takes a "flash" to install firmware.

Very familiar with all of the technology as I have used eeprom while in my electrical engineering courses. The question remains. I would consider a full rewrite an up Rev not an up map. Symantecs all the same...

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 03:03 PM

You think the dealership or Ducati is going to use the right terms? Up-map is a marketing gimmick...

mavic · January 20th, 2013, 03:05 PM

Here is another question to ponder? Why does plugging the dongle in toggle the map rather than unlocking the same code that is already present? Plug in the dongle and you lose racing. Plug it in again and it remaps to racing? Additionally if no data is exchanged then the dongle can be applied to another bike and unlock a new map for others who would like to test the effects of the change on a base bike.

TransNone13 · January 20th, 2013, 03:07 PM

Like I said, I think it's because it's more of a key.

HarmonyJim · January 21st, 2013, 08:59 AM

I was very satisfied with my newest ECU version on my Tri with slip ons. Interesting you find it wanting. My tech who is heavily involved in racing (at the Laguna Seca MotoGP each year with his team racing Yamaha R6s, among many other venues) found it significantly better as well. Sounds like you may have the old version still present.

January 20th, 2013, 07:11 AM	#1
mavic Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Round Rock, TX Posts: 191 Thanks: 13 I Ride: Ducati Panigale, Honda CRF450, Kuota Kult	How to confirm the latest Up Map Ok, so I have read the "OMG" stories about the new up map. I for one am not impressed what so ever. In fact, I beleive that the Termi slip on is better for raw horse power. So here is my question. Did my dealer do something wrong and how would I confirm that I indeed have the latest version of the UP MAP. I am going to put the Termi UP MAP back onto the bike if there is no way of confirming the version. Thanks, Victor

January 20th, 2013, 01:29 PM	#8
mavic Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Round Rock, TX Posts: 191 Thanks: 13 I Ride: Ducati Panigale, Honda CRF450, Kuota Kult	So this is an ECU flash not an UP MAP? So how do you confirm the ECU Flash version? I am guessing that unless you have the PC, you can't. Either way, I am not impressed with the "change" what ever form it takes and I guess I will have to take it back to the dealer to get the original version back. I sure hope that is an option! Thanks for the information. Last edited by mavic; January 20th, 2013 at 01:32 PM.

January 20th, 2013, 01:37 PM	#12
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	Um, not really. The ECU flash, is well a flash (complete rewrite of the device)... The dongle simply unlocks the corresponding map already on the ECU. If you're not familiar with terms like flash, BIOS, and firmware you may not get it. Like a computer you can flash the motherboard to update the BIOS (between firmware and software). It rewrites all blocks of the memory. Firmware is the layer between the hardware and software, and uses machine code. It takes a "flash" to install firmware. Last edited by TransNone13; January 20th, 2013 at 01:41 PM.

January 20th, 2013, 03:05 PM	#16
mavic Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Round Rock, TX Posts: 191 Thanks: 13 I Ride: Ducati Panigale, Honda CRF450, Kuota Kult	Here is another question to ponder? Why does plugging the dongle in toggle the map rather than unlocking the same code that is already present? Plug in the dongle and you lose racing. Plug it in again and it remaps to racing? Additionally if no data is exchanged then the dongle can be applied to another bike and unlock a new map for others who would like to test the effects of the change on a base bike. Last edited by mavic; January 20th, 2013 at 03:14 PM.

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January 20th, 2013, 07:23 AM	#2
mavic Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Round Rock, TX Posts: 191 Thanks: 13 I Ride: Ducati Panigale, Honda CRF450, Kuota Kult	Ok, the only difference is the presence of the Word Racing vs Racing EVO. I did not download the base back to the bike prior to taking it to the dealer so I am basically screwed with the UP MAP that they put on as the "best" performance. So note to you other guys. If you are considering the up map, download the map first so that it writes the current map back to the dongle. Then take it to the dealer. If you don't like the map, plug the dongle back in once you get home and you're back to what you had. As previously stated before on the forum. Once you download the UP MAP the system puts the original/current program back to the dongle. THIS SUCKS!!

January 20th, 2013, 08:17 AM	#3
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	Ok, the way the dongles work are simply keys to unlock the maps on the ECU. If you had the upmap, you are just unlocking the "new" upmap setting with the dongle. I installed headers after the upmap and uploaded the new map with no issues. Bike feels better than before.

January 20th, 2013, 01:01 PM	#4
MUNDMAN Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: ALBUQUERQUE, NM USA Posts: 602 Thanks: 96 I Ride: Panigale Tricolore, 2010 KTM 990 SMR, 2002 HD Heritage Springer	Are speaking of the up map for exhaust or the new Ecu flash? The ecu flash is done with a laptop at the dealer. No dongle.

January 20th, 2013, 01:02 PM	#5
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	I think he's worried the upmap would cancel out the ECU flash, this is not the case.

January 20th, 2013, 01:05 PM	#6
MUNDMAN Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: ALBUQUERQUE, NM USA Posts: 602 Thanks: 96 I Ride: Panigale Tricolore, 2010 KTM 990 SMR, 2002 HD Heritage Springer	That is correct sir!

January 20th, 2013, 01:10 PM	#7
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	Just a note if anyone cares, I found this odd. I had slips before flash. Used slip up map. Had flash, then installed the headers. The full up map wouldn't take until I tried using the slip up-map first. IDK if that's normal. Maybe you have to remove one to put the other on, just thought it was odd and worried me at first.

January 20th, 2013, 01:30 PM	#10
MUNDMAN Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: ALBUQUERQUE, NM USA Posts: 602 Thanks: 96 I Ride: Panigale Tricolore, 2010 KTM 990 SMR, 2002 HD Heritage Springer	Dealer told me you can't. He can go online to see if you bike needs the update, like a recall by vin.

January 20th, 2013, 02:53 PM	#13
MUNDMAN Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: ALBUQUERQUE, NM USA Posts: 602 Thanks: 96 I Ride: Panigale Tricolore, 2010 KTM 990 SMR, 2002 HD Heritage Springer	Well said!

January 20th, 2013, 03:03 PM	#15
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	You think the dealership or Ducati is going to use the right terms? Up-map is a marketing gimmick...

January 20th, 2013, 03:07 PM	#17
TransNone13 Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: Someville, Somestate Posts: 2,247 Thanks: 157	Like I said, I think it's because it's more of a key.

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January 21st, 2013, 08:59 AM	#18
HarmonyJim Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Chowchilla Posts: 35 Thanks: 7	I was very satisfied with my newest ECU version on my Tri with slip ons. Interesting you find it wanting. My tech who is heavily involved in racing (at the Laguna Seca MotoGP each year with his team racing Yamaha R6s, among many other venues) found it significantly better as well. Sounds like you may have the old version still present.