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Old May 17th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #1
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Dyno Results from 1199s

I just received my Dyno results today after my first service... My Panigale has the full Termi's installed and wrapped..

185.33 wrhp
93.22 ft lbs torque
I understand each dyno is a little different. The temp was 82.6 with humidity just under 20%... Will attempt to download the readout...

I was a little disappointed since I had higher expectations with all the hype surrounding the new motor and model.. The power comes on at 8000 rpm through 10,900 .... While I don't hit the track all that often due to limited time, I enjoy hitting the back roads utilizing the full HP-Top end along with every inch of the rubber...

Has anyone else had a chance to Dyno your bike? If so, can you provide results? I am curious what other owners are seeing vs what the magazines articles are reporting.. Thanks!
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Old May 17th, 2012, 05:30 PM   #2
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Not bad at all! My friend had a Honda Civic VTEC with blow off valve, potato launcher exhaust and slammed to the ground. It could not pull those numbers. Congrats and enjoy your bike!!
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From what I have seen, your bike is pretty much within the recently posted test results. You are correct about the 195 hp hype which is dissappointing but pretty much expected.
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From what I have seen, your bike is pretty much within the recently posted test results. You are correct about the 195 hp hype which is dissappointing but pretty much expected.
Why are u dissapointed? Don't you understand how they get those numbers? Engine dyno, perfect conditions, no emissions control, max air, max high octain fuel. It is not just Ducati. It's Chevy, Audi, .... To make this bike 50 States legal the severily restrict the bike. With the termis it is opened up some but still 50 states legal.

I don't give a shit about whether people like the bike or not, but stop acting like someone lied to you! My 1198 with full termi exhaust still isnt up to the orig engine HP of 170! Give it a break! This bike has huge cylinders moving lots of fuel and air at high RPMs, so logically it would suffer from greater restriction then an inline 4 S1000RR.

Buy a boss hoss for max HP. Me I want to be able to turn.
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Me I want to be able to turn.
+1, That is why I own two.
I prefer companies that under promise and over deliver....anyone else just sucks canal water
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Old May 17th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #6
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thudson.....just go up 2 to 3 teeth on the rear sprocket....ull have more down low grunt then!!!
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178.9 hp,
89.4 ft. lbs

64.2F, 33.8% humidity.

Had a problem on the run, so the preceding reflects a peak average. Actual peak readings were 183.2 hp, 91.9 ft. lbs. Reading was done on the dyno at Lofgren Performance.

For reference an 1198S with Akra 2 into 1 into 2 produced 159.4 hp, 90.5 ft. lbs peak at 69.3F 35.2% humidity on the same dyno.

Bike will go back to the shop next week after it is completely broken in, to see if the fuel mapping can be improved. Lofgren has the ability to remap the Mitisubishi ECU for the Multistrada, and is going to work out remapping the Panigale Mitsubishi ECU. Should be able to get a more precise map without using a PCV.

Where was your bike dynoed?
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I just received my Dyno results today after my first service... My Panigale has the full Termi's installed and wrapped..

185.33 wrhp
93.22 ft lbs torque
I understand each dyno is a little different. The temp was 82.6 with humidity just under 20%... Will attempt to download the readout...

I was a little disappointed since I had higher expectations with all the hype surrounding the new motor and model.. The power comes on at 8000 rpm through 10,900 .... While I don't hit the track all that often due to limited time, I enjoy hitting the back roads utilizing the full HP-Top end along with every inch of the rubber...

Has anyone else had a chance to Dyno your bike? If so, can you provide results? I am curious what other owners are seeing vs what the magazines articles are reporting.. Thanks!
Seriously, why are you disappointed? You loose 10% from the crank to rear wheel, therefore do the Mathis, 183+10%=201!!! So how can you be saying about all the hype?!

Also I read somewhere else that you shouldn't pay too much attention to the figures from dyno runs as the 1199 doesn't get to max power as it requires the air intake from travelling at speed, which the dyno cannot reproduce in order to gain its max output.... Now obviously somebody correct me if I'm wrong..?

But I would be more than impressed with that! You just gotta ride the thing to realise its quick, trust me I know which one I'd rather have between my S1000RR and my 1199S!
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Mpls Ducati did it today.. Fred and his group are great to work with..

There is some gains we still can continue to see once the bike is out for awhile.. The Pani is a great bike and pulls strong. It was a just a little disappointing knowing that the bike is second to BMW in power and now in track time (first few reviews)... I know it comes down to rider so I look forward to running with the boyz soon to compare....

Zaster, I agree about owning 2 bikes.. Just picked up another one tonight!!!
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So what are typical figures for crank and rear wheel HP for the S1000RR? I thought that BMW claimed a similar number of just under 200 bhp at the crank. The typical numbers I'm seeing from 1199 dyno runs, 182-186 rwhp and 195 to 200 at the crank, seem to be as advertised and in the same ball park as the BMW.

The likey gain from the clever 1199 air scoop design probably isn't in Ducati's figures, it would be almost impossible to measure as they would need a dyno room with a 190mph gale blowing through it. Do they have a dyno in a wind tunnel?

Also consider the the BMW big-end bolt torque issue which is growing in scale at an alarming pace... I couldn't make the No Limts Aragon track day last week, but I had a few friends go and they saw first hand two 2012 BMW S1000R's throw con rods in just 3 days on track. According to the Aragon track safety staff there had been 5 the week before! The staff were briefing BMW riders separately at the end of the main briefing because they wanted to highlight the problem and ensure riders knew the correct etiquette for when their engine blew-up and spewed oil on the track. BMW seem to have done very little to halt this and are proposing that the faulty engines will be stripped and rebuilt by dealers.

Given that the panigale is better to ride, has more of less the same output and taking into account BMW's lack of customer service, you're still disappointed you chose the 1199? I'm not. You made the right choice, have faith.

Will put mine on the dyno and post results for stock exhaust once I've done a few more miles and can rev it to the red line.

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At Fraser Motorcycles in Sydney they tested a standard S and it had about 180; with termi slip-ons it was 186, and with the full system it was 192.

I dont think there is any problem with the 195 quoted figure, I have an 07 ZX10 which was quoted as 185hp with ram air effect. Who quotes figures with ram air???
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Not bad at all! My friend had a Honda Civic VTEC with blow off valve, potato launcher exhaust and slammed to the ground. It could not pull those numbers. Congrats and enjoy your bike!!
An N/A with a BOV?

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Also I read somewhere else that you shouldn't pay too much attention to the figures from dyno runs as the 1199 doesn't get to max power as it requires the air intake from travelling at speed, which the dyno cannot reproduce in order to gain its max output.... Now obviously somebody correct me if I'm wrong..?
OK.

On a dyno, they ram air. Standard procedure. If they don't, unstrap your bike and leave.
If they don't do it:
a) the bike will perform badly; but more importantly
b) it will simply overheat

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On a dyno, they ram air. Standard procedure. If they don't, unstrap your bike and leave.
If they don't do it:
a) the bike will perform badly; but more importantly
b) it will simply overheat
Even if it has ABS Rhino
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Didn't think they push enough air to simulate going down the straight at 190mph though, no?
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So what are typical figures for crank and rear wheel HP for the S1000RR? I thought that BMW claimed a similar number of just under 200 bhp at the crank. The typical numbers I'm seeing from 1199 dyno runs, 182-186 rwhp and 195 to 200 at the crank, seem to be as advertised and in the same ball park as the BMW.
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I didn't see the run, but on the Mpls Ducati dyno which thudson's bike was tested a 10/11 S1000RR with Akra full exhaust and PCV hit 205 hp according to Fred.
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They are having a dyno shootout on Saturday, I'll take mine down and see what it does. Typically it takes a couple thousand miles to see peak, and I doubt they have 190mph air, but we'll see what it does.
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OK.

On a dyno, they ram air. Standard procedure. If they don't, unstrap your bike and leave.
If they don't do it:
a) the bike will perform badly; but more importantly
b) it will simply overheat
you would need to be in a wind tunnel to generate 300KPH of Ram air effect. All this dyno stuff is a waste of time if all your looking to do is make comparisons to other bikes or articles.

Dyno is good for baselining your bike and looking at performance changes when adding aftermarket parts.

More important is the suspension setup and how you ride. You have have 200WRHP but if you get your ass handed to you by some elderly gent on a 600, well than all the HP in the world wouldn't help your sorry ass.
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you would need to be in a wind tunnel to generate 300KPH of Ram air effect. All this dyno stuff is a waste of time if all your looking to do is make comparisons to other bikes or articles.

Dyno is good for baselining your bike and looking at performance changes when adding aftermarket parts.

More important is the suspension setup and how you ride. You have have 200WRHP but if you get your ass handed to you by some elderly gent on a 600, well than all the HP in the world wouldn't help your sorry ass.
Very well put!

Rhino - And yes I was on about ram air for the dyno test that I had read somewhere, obviously they have fans to keep engine cool etc, but I was referring to the effect of travelling at speed on the road as previously stated would need a wind tunnel for that!
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Even if it has ABS Rhino
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you would need to be in a wind tunnel to generate 300KPH of Ram air effect. All this dyno stuff is a waste of time if all your looking to do is make comparisons to other bikes or articles.

Dyno is good for baselining your bike and looking at performance changes when adding aftermarket parts.
Couldn't agree more! They're a tool to measure difference.

I certainly don't think dynos are worth the paper the charts are printed on in terms of the 'my bike's better than yours' argument.

But if a dyno says my bike generates 180rwhp. I don't think, 'oh, but in the real world, it will generate 190 because it'll be taking great gulps of travelling speed wind. I think the fans generate enough to get a pretty good idea.

That's more my failed point.
Don't know if I've made it any clearer though
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I called the dealer in Detroit today and one of the dealers gave me the low down on dynoing. For the record, they set the fastest speed for a literbike by using the Aprilia RSV4 out at the salt flats. They took a stock production bike and simply fooled the ecu into thinking it was in 5th gear instead of 6th. Supposedly the top speed was 195 to 197 mph (can't remember the exact number). They have a very expensive laser dyno that measures exact speed by aiming a laser at the rear tire. Gives them very accurate readings. I will take my base model 1199 there as soon as I have it broke in. (considering I bought an 848 last year and was my first road bike, I put 18,500 miles on it in 6 months... brand new) So getting this mileage should take me about a week. They said I may video the bike on the dyno outside of it myself or let one of the techs video it inside the room (for safety purposes, there is plate glass on the side of the room so you can see the computer and the bike clearly without being inside. Every dyno is different and some may be more accurate than others, this particular dyno puts out numbers very close to the manufacturer RWHP numbers. I will be using an HD camcorder to film it. If you go onto youtube, I am shocked that you cannot find a single video that is good quality that shows the numbers on the computer or if it is good quality they only show the bike on the dyno and not numbers. So hopefully it will help bring into perspective more accurate numbers and clearer evidence. Accurate dyno, well broke in bike, and good quality video. So, just wanted to give a heads up to all, if you type my name into youtube you should see a video of it in the next couple weeks.

Second thing. When I talked to the dealer about Termi's, Full or Slip-On, they said that the information that Ducati gave them was there was no difference in peak power, it only gave a better midrange (but rumors say slip-ons have the potential to increase power to nearly 186 RWHP. They said the only way to achieve that would be to go with a full exhaust, which we all know is twice as expensive. What they are telling me is... Slip-Ons: decrease weight, better midrange, and louder sound. Full Termi's: 5% power increase (roughly 186 peak HP), even lighter weight, louder sound. If anyone can confirm this if you own one of the two or have results please let me know. I would like to know if either the Slip-Ons actually do have a power increase and how much? Or If they are a waste of money and you need to spend $3,500 +tax and labor on a full system to get actual significant performance numbers.

Third thing, they have also told me that in order to bring the bike to its full potential on the dyno, you need to have it on a manufacturer dyno that can create the Ram Air speed of 100+ mph. They have also been told this directly from Ducati. Those Dyno's cost millions of dollars and are very rare across the entire U.S. (You'd be better off taking it to an indoor skydiving tunnel and sticking it into the chamber. lol) Without the 100+ mph air the bike will retard the fuel consumption and even though it is on a dyno it will not put out the maximum potential numbers that the factory came up with due to the computer being confused by the amount of air flow into the engine.

This is the information they have given me. If anyone can confirm these facts or bring light to any facts that I or the dealer may be wrong about, by all means please respond. Other than that I hope this information may help you. Also, if anyone can give me information about the Slip-On's vs. Full system please let me know, or refer me to another forum or link. Thanks much! Looking forward to my new 1199!
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