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Old August 6th, 2012, 10:18 AM   #21
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Im not from the UK, but "Cv" is the same as HP correct? If so, I want that thing! Is that a stock run?

To convert: CV * 0.986 = HP
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Old August 6th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #22
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So it's about 178HP and 92 for torque. Not bad
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Old August 6th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #23
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Bit fuzzy on this stuff
RE the engine braking, are you saying that the base unit does not affect the stock engine brake adjustability?? Thanks
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Old August 7th, 2012, 05:02 AM   #24
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Correct, nil affect to any stock settings
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Old August 7th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #25
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So it sounds like there's an engine-braking program built into the RapidBike unit, so you'd just turn off the stock EBC and use that, along with a quick-shifter that would have gear-specific cut times, that would be very helpful for the track. The stock DQS works decent but is a little slow for the higher gears 3/4-4/5-5/6, would be nice to set those a little quicker. Do you know how this thing wires in to the bike? Since it's a piggy-back system, I assume it wires inline with the coils, but anything else?
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Old August 7th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #26
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I assume there would also need to have European and North America specific versions since our ECUs are slightly different, not to mention the oxygenated and 10 percent ethanol fuel we have here.

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Old August 7th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #27
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Validate this blank sheet dyno report with a Superflow or windyn sheet and YouTube video, then you can have my $
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Old August 7th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #28
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I'm interested in the fueling module for stock exhaust after seeing the reported dyno numbers. However, I'm also wondering how the module would be attached to the ECU and whether there would be any adjustments for the US versions that may change the dyno numbers.
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So it sounds like there's an engine-braking program built into the RapidBike unit, so you'd just turn off the stock EBC and use that, along with a quick-shifter that would have gear-specific cut times, that would be very helpful for the track. The stock DQS works decent but is a little slow for the higher gears 3/4-4/5-5/6, would be nice to set those a little quicker. Do you know how this thing wires in to the bike? Since it's a piggy-back system, I assume it wires inline with the coils, but anything else?
The stock EBC is realized by using the motorized throttle blades to regulate a vacuum in the throttle body which is feeding air into the cylinders while the intake valves are opened.

This vacuum "enhance" pumping losses or makes the going down piston (during intake stroke) working hard against the vacuum thus engine braking.Try closing a syringe's needle opening and pulling the plunger/piston downward, it is hard-work...is similar concept.

unless R.bike has access to the control of these motors, i doubt there'll be any EBC intervention from it.

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Below full info on these fantastic units:

RAPID BIKE is an add-on module (commonly known as piggy-back), it is not a module designed to replace the stock ECU.

RAPID BIKE modules (EVO and RACING) does not interact or affect in any way the motorcycle traction control or other similar systems. The RACING module can also manage the engine braking (so in a way it works as an anti-slippery clutch) but there is no possibility for the RAPID BIKE modules to perform any operations acting on such parameters as the traction control.

RACING module allowing both, injection and ignition re-mappings. The EVO module allows only the injection re-mapping (in the case of the PANIGALE we have developed an injection map specific for each cylinder) – very important, both the EVO and the RACING module manage up to 2 stock lambda sensor signal (instead of using the O2 optimizer or other similar devices which have the only effect to “fake” this signal to the stock ECU with the result that most of power curve cannot be modified)

Both allow quick shifter plug in and edit each gear delay times.
All along i thought the 1st stage of DTC intervention, is to retard the ignition advance,if rear & front wheel slip is not reduced, 2nd stage will be fuel mass reduction by shortening injector pulse-width (or ON time) for the subsequent intake stroke.

How would R.bike module know DTC is in action or commencing and not interfere with ignition timing and fuel injection pulse-width while traction controlling?

maybe more info will surface as product matures to production...

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All along i thought the 1st stage of DTC intervention, is to retard the ignition advance,if rear & front wheel slip is not reduced, 2nd stage will be fuel mass reduction by shortening injector pulse-width (or ON time) for the subsequent intake stroke.

How would R.bike module know DTC is in action or commencing and not interfere with ignition timing and fuel injection pulse-width while traction controlling?

maybe more info will surface as product matures to production...
I thought the same hence my prior question to Rich. For ebs it's relatively easy by not altering ign or fuel below a certain throttle/butterfly angle but for traction control it's harder, unless rapid bike is able to determine when dtc is active and not intervene. On the other hand, if the rapid bike module adds ignition and injector pulse width deltas and then the stock system identifies traction loss and cuts ign or fuel then the net ign or fuel( after rapid bike deltas are added ) will still be reduced to a value lower than before traction loss. This kind of makes sense but it remains to be seen how this is felt in the real world after all who really knows exactly how the Ducati dtc works on the panigale.
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I thought the same hence my prior question to Rich. For ebs it's relatively easy by not altering ign or fuel below a certain throttle/butterfly angle but for traction control it's harder, unless rapid bike is able to determine when dtc is active and not intervene. On the other hand, if the rapid bike module adds ignition and injector pulse width deltas and then the stock system identifies traction loss and cuts ign or fuel then the net ign or fuel( after rapid bike deltas are added ) will still be reduced to a value lower than before traction loss. This kind of makes sense but it remains to be seen how this is felt in the real world after all who really knows exactly how the Ducati dtc works on the panigale.
With all due respect, why don't you two just email Rapidbike directly with your questions? Rich and AR are just vendors. Some of the questions you guys have seem to be proprietary in nature so you might get a canned answer? But it might be worth a shot?
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With all due respect, why don't you two just email Rapidbike directly with your questions? Rich and AR are just vendors. Some of the questions you guys have seem to be proprietary in nature so you might get a canned answer? But it might be worth a shot?
Wasn't this thread started to advertise / provide info on these modules? Then is should be appropriate to ask questions/discuss the possible effects on other ECU functions.
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Wasn't this thread started to advertise / provide info on these modules? Then is should be appropriate to ask questions/discuss the possible effects on other ECU functions.
True but it seems you and others want some fairly in-depth info that only the manufacturer can answer and all i'm saying is rather than ask the middle man, ask the source, that's all. Do whatcha like, just offering a suggestion.
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Here is a graph showing our just finished fuel and ignition map for slip ons. It makes the bike feel way more responsive with the low and mid fuelling issues ironed out.
This map can be sent with the Evo or Race units although on the Evo unit it will only allow the fuelling maps per cylinder.
After mapping with this unit it is clear to all of us at AR it is a great device allowing very precise mapping at a good price.
You can take the unit bike to bike and simply buy a harness to fit.
The end fuelling result when enlarged is smooth at the target af.
The affects on other ecu functions will be nil, it is a piggy back device as such will not interfere or affect tc, engine brake etc.

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Old August 15th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #36
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you guys are always doing maps for slip ons.....which is cool....but I would like to see slip on vs full exhaust comparisons also if possible
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Poblem is the Termi full system does not work! The map we send out will work with the full system better than stock and way better than the upmap but the full system is a compromise, take it off and put the stock headers with slip ons on, its better.
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This is awesome... So Am I missing something here>>> AR You are making a slip on for the Pani?? Right?? So do you have any pix of this yet???
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Unfortunately this is just our dyno system and not a retail system. Still working on our finished system which is a real headache on this bike as you can imagine.
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Unfortunately this is just our dyno system and not a retail system. Still working on our finished system which is a real headache on this bike as you can imagine.
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