Lithium Ion Battery

Hakosuka · August 3rd, 2012, 03:45 AM

Has anyone got any experience with these kind of batterys?

Batterie Lithium Ionen Panigale (- 2kg) battery_panigale

The weight saving is interesting but because of the numerous complaints about many Panigales not wanting to start I wonder if this battery is the way to go?

vo2 · August 3rd, 2012, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakosuka

Has anyone got any experience with these kind of batterys?

Batterie Lithium Ionen Panigale (- 2kg) battery_panigale

The weight saving is interesting but because of the numerous complaints about many Panigales not wanting to start I wonder if this battery is the way to go?

I have one of these from day one. No problems yet.

Gunny Fitz · August 3rd, 2012, 08:09 AM

This topic is as vast as the "how to break in a bike" one dude. So many trains of thought on this and so many items to choose from I know! I have been on the shelf with this for some time too. Heard great things and even met the owner of a co who makes what he claims the very best lithium one. Also heard from Master Techs that they have had numerous issues with these frying up the ECU and other electric issues too. But then again other pro's I know swear by them! Its a very diverse crowd for sure. Do a search both here and on other forums for them and take it all into account. If you need to hear right from these sources I mention Id be happy to send you their info. As of right now I am not doing it - why fix what isnt broken at this point, despite the fact they produce some really stellar reviews from some. Tough decisions eh?

zvez · August 3rd, 2012, 09:34 AM

I've had a shorai lithium battery in my streetfighter for nearly a year. The SF is the first duc I didn't keep hooked up to a battery tender at all times. These lithium batteries absolutely do not discharge a significant amount when sitting.

The batteries are a fraction of the weight of regular batteris.
BUT be very careful, a load of versions out there of lithium batteries. Shorai seems to be among the best supported of the ones out there.

No regrets getting mine.

jyli19 · August 3rd, 2012, 01:33 PM

One down side of Lithium battery is heat, remember the Laptop batteries exploding, Cell Phones on fire. Cars that run on batteries actually have a separate cooling system to keep the temp down. Considering the location of the battery in the Panigale and the noticible heat toasting my ass every ride. I will keep my hands off the Lithium for a little while.

If a simple change of battery can shave off a few pound. Why would bike makers go through the extend of R&D to reduce weight. I would think this is the first step they would take.

zvez · August 3rd, 2012, 02:35 PM

Actually their are two different types of lithium batteries, the older lithium ION (laptop and phone). and the newer, more environmentally friendly and safer lithium IRON (this is shorai ).

Apparently the Lithium Iron batteries don't have the heat issues of the lithium ion battery.

Link: The Revolution in Rechargeable Batteries: Lithium Iron Vs Lithium Ion

QUOTE=jyli19;26558]One down side of Lithium battery is heat, remember the Laptop batteries exploding, Cell Phones on fire. Cars that run on batteries actually have a separate cooling system to keep the temp down. Considering the location of the battery in the Panigale and the noticible heat toasting my ass every ride. I will keep my hands off the Lithium for a little while.

If a simple change of battery can shave off a few pound. Why would bike makers go through the extend of R&D to reduce weight. I would think this is the first step they would take.[/QUOTE]

Wallaroo · August 3rd, 2012, 04:34 PM

A Shorai fitted into my bike.......The guy I take my bike to has been around Ducati's since he was born and he said no worries so I bought one here in OZ and we fitted it.

Gunny Fitz · August 3rd, 2012, 05:56 PM

Good stuff guys!!

littlejohn · August 3rd, 2012, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zvez

Actually their are two different types of lithium batteries, the older lithium ION (laptop and phone). and the newer, more environmentally friendly and safer lithium IRON (this is shorai ).

Apparently the Lithium Iron batteries don't have the heat issues of the lithium ion battery.

Link: The Revolution in Rechargeable Batteries: Lithium Iron Vs Lithium Ion

QUOTE=jyli19;26558]One down side of Lithium battery is heat, remember the Laptop batteries exploding, Cell Phones on fire. Cars that run on batteries actually have a separate cooling system to keep the temp down. Considering the location of the battery in the Panigale and the noticible heat toasting my ass every ride. I will keep my hands off the Lithium for a little while.

If a simple change of battery can shave off a few pound. Why would bike makers go through the extend of R&D to reduce weight. I would think this is the first step they would take.

[/QUOTE]

Correct... and to be a little more precise, the chemistry you're after is LiFePO

Hakosuka · August 4th, 2012, 02:37 AM

Thanks guys! Your opinions have been very helpful

. I might buy one of these.
I prefer saving weight over adding more power. €120 to save 2 kg is cheap compared to buying carbon parts in order to get the same weight savings

Gunny, I'm going to search the internet and read some more about them. Thanks for the good advice

.

Claymore · September 23rd, 2012, 09:18 AM

I have fitted a Shorai Lithium Iron battery to my Panigale S Tricolore and am very happy with it. There is a substantial weight saving and it starts very easy.

August 3rd, 2012, 03:45 AM	#1
Hakosuka Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Belgium Posts: 125 Thanks: 1	Lithium Ion Battery Has anyone got any experience with these kind of batterys? Batterie Lithium Ionen Panigale (- 2kg) battery_panigale The weight saving is interesting but because of the numerous complaints about many Panigales not wanting to start I wonder if this battery is the way to go?

August 3rd, 2012, 08:09 AM	#3
Gunny Fitz Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Washington, DC Posts: 1,465 Thanks: 235 I Ride: Panigale Tri-Colore	Many Discussions! This topic is as vast as the "how to break in a bike" one dude. So many trains of thought on this and so many items to choose from I know! I have been on the shelf with this for some time too. Heard great things and even met the owner of a co who makes what he claims the very best lithium one. Also heard from Master Techs that they have had numerous issues with these frying up the ECU and other electric issues too. But then again other pro's I know swear by them! Its a very diverse crowd for sure. Do a search both here and on other forums for them and take it all into account. If you need to hear right from these sources I mention Id be happy to send you their info. As of right now I am not doing it - why fix what isnt broken at this point, despite the fact they produce some really stellar reviews from some. Tough decisions eh?

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August 3rd, 2012, 09:34 AM	#4
zvez Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: ga Posts: 1,711 Thanks: 145	I've had a shorai lithium battery in my streetfighter for nearly a year. The SF is the first duc I didn't keep hooked up to a battery tender at all times. These lithium batteries absolutely do not discharge a significant amount when sitting. The batteries are a fraction of the weight of regular batteris. BUT be very careful, a load of versions out there of lithium batteries. Shorai seems to be among the best supported of the ones out there. No regrets getting mine.

August 3rd, 2012, 01:33 PM	#5
jyli19 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: So-Cal Posts: 346 Thanks: 12	One down side of Lithium battery is heat, remember the Laptop batteries exploding, Cell Phones on fire. Cars that run on batteries actually have a separate cooling system to keep the temp down. Considering the location of the battery in the Panigale and the noticible heat toasting my ass every ride. I will keep my hands off the Lithium for a little while. If a simple change of battery can shave off a few pound. Why would bike makers go through the extend of R&D to reduce weight. I would think this is the first step they would take.

August 3rd, 2012, 02:35 PM	#6
zvez Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: ga Posts: 1,711 Thanks: 145	Actually their are two different types of lithium batteries, the older lithium ION (laptop and phone). and the newer, more environmentally friendly and safer lithium IRON (this is shorai ). Apparently the Lithium Iron batteries don't have the heat issues of the lithium ion battery. *Link: The Revolution in Rechargeable Batteries: Lithium Iron Vs Lithium Ion* QUOTE=jyli19;26558]One down side of Lithium battery is heat, remember the Laptop batteries exploding, Cell Phones on fire. Cars that run on batteries actually have a separate cooling system to keep the temp down. Considering the location of the battery in the Panigale and the noticible heat toasting my ass every ride. I will keep my hands off the Lithium for a little while. If a simple change of battery can shave off a few pound. Why would bike makers go through the extend of R&D to reduce weight. I would think this is the first step they would take.[/QUOTE]

August 3rd, 2012, 05:56 PM	#8
Gunny Fitz Senior Member Joined: Mar 2012 From: Washington, DC Posts: 1,465 Thanks: 235 I Ride: Panigale Tri-Colore	Good stuff guys!!

August 4th, 2012, 02:37 AM	#10
Hakosuka Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Belgium Posts: 125 Thanks: 1	Thanks guys! Your opinions have been very helpful . I might buy one of these. I prefer saving weight over adding more power. €120 to save 2 kg is cheap compared to buying carbon parts in order to get the same weight savings Gunny, I'm going to search the internet and read some more about them. Thanks for the good advice .