? Extra ring added to pistons ? - Page 2

bronch · January 22nd, 2013, 07:23 AM

I had plumes of white smoke after start up that tapered off as the motor got up to temp. After about 50 miles it lessened and after about 100 miles it's essentially gone. I've never had black or discolored smoke which is what I would expect if burning oil. Truthfully, it had the appearance and odor of steam. Maybe one of you mechanics out there can comment, could it be part condensation burning off at start up?

1199 dreamer · January 22nd, 2013, 03:32 PM

Thanks Gunny for clear up my confusion. I might have a great deal on a 2012 tri but was unsure if I should attempt getting it or going for a 2013 "S" with improved rings. If I can get the deal I think I won't feel so bad knowing that it isn't a drastic change to the bike that could turn out to be a bad engine because of bad rings.

Thanks again Gunny!!!

ChamMTB · January 22nd, 2013, 04:04 PM

You should see mine smoke, 1,600mls in and it still fills the street when you start it up and ride for at least the first ten minutes. It drinks oil. Almost the same level as the Desmo does.

If I can find time to post the video on my iphone I will - that will stop all the "it's not a big deal" commentary from people who don't have the issue!

nyandy · January 22nd, 2013, 04:14 PM

5 k and change on the clock on my early 12 base and still smoke when it 1st starts. like chammtb above, mine likes to consume as well. if they aren't going to admit the issue, sure would like an easier way to view the sight glass at least.

1199 dreamer · January 22nd, 2013, 05:27 PM

Maybe I shouldn't consider the 2012 Tri....:0

elitesoldier357 · January 22nd, 2013, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1199 dreamer

Maybe I shouldn't consider the 2012 Tri....:0

You should consider the 2013 R

Even though it doesn't have too much HP than the others, it is drop dead sexy

tstephenson · January 23rd, 2013, 09:43 AM

Per Gunny's contact I picked up my bike and road it hard for the first 50 miles (let it heat cycle every 10 miles) - after 150 no smoke

Body · January 30th, 2013, 01:48 PM

I think there is a more serious design problem with the new engine. With such large pistons the combustion is difficult to keep even. The pistons then twist a little in the bore as the compression is uneven and the piston skirt wears the barrel liner unevenly. Oil bypasses the piston and hey presto it smokes a bit and finally fails. Be prepared for warranty arguments...
Re designed barrels, spark plug locations and fuel injection on it's way me thinks.
Hey I am not an engineer but someone out there is?

Speedyellow · January 30th, 2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Body

I think there is a more serious design problem with the new engine. With such large pistons the combustion is difficult to keep even. The pistons then twist a little in the bore as the compression is uneven and the piston skirt wears the barrel liner unevenly. Oil bypasses the piston and hey presto it smokes a bit and finally fails. Be prepared for warranty arguments...
Re designed barrels, spark plug locations and fuel injection on it's way me thinks.
Hey I am not an engineer but someone out there is?

Hum, think Ducati have a few engineers with experience in these things...

Nice doom and gloom first post by the way

jyli19 · January 30th, 2013, 03:15 PM

If your bike still smokes after few hundreds, does that mean the bike wasn't burn in correctly, the seal aren't set as they should. Maybe it's more apparent in colder climates.

Mine stopped smoking at start up around the 100 mile mark. Never seen smoke since.

OzStriker · January 30th, 2013, 03:59 PM

Brand new 2013 for me with a few hundred kays, no hint of smoke.

January 22nd, 2013, 03:32 PM	#22
1199 dreamer Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Connecticut Posts: 95 Thanks: 17 I Ride: 2000 ZX9R, 2013 1199S in a crate waiting for me.	Thanks Gunny for clear up my confusion. I might have a great deal on a 2012 tri but was unsure if I should attempt getting it or going for a 2013 "S" with improved rings. If I can get the deal I think I won't feel so bad knowing that it isn't a drastic change to the bike that could turn out to be a bad engine because of bad rings. Thanks again Gunny!!! Thanks from Gunny Fitz

January 23rd, 2013, 09:43 AM	#27
tstephenson Senior Member Joined: Dec 2011 From: Lone Tree CO Posts: 469 Thanks: 3 I Ride: 2012 1199 Panigale Tri	Per Gunny's contact I picked up my bike and road it hard for the first 50 miles (let it heat cycle every 10 miles) - after 150 no smoke Thanks from Gunny Fitz

January 30th, 2013, 01:48 PM	#28
Body Junior Member Joined: Dec 2012 From: United Kingdom London Posts: 1 Thanks: 0	Smoking 1199 I think there is a more serious design problem with the new engine. With such large pistons the combustion is difficult to keep even. The pistons then twist a little in the bore as the compression is uneven and the piston skirt wears the barrel liner unevenly. Oil bypasses the piston and hey presto it smokes a bit and finally fails. Be prepared for warranty arguments... Re designed barrels, spark plug locations and fuel injection on it's way me thinks. Hey I am not an engineer but someone out there is?

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January 22nd, 2013, 07:23 AM	#21
bronch Senior Member Joined: Nov 2012 From: Tacoma, WA Posts: 998 Thanks: 185 I Ride: '12 1199S ABS and '13 MTS PP	I had plumes of white smoke after start up that tapered off as the motor got up to temp. After about 50 miles it lessened and after about 100 miles it's essentially gone. I've never had black or discolored smoke which is what I would expect if burning oil. Truthfully, it had the appearance and odor of steam. Maybe one of you mechanics out there can comment, could it be part condensation burning off at start up?

January 22nd, 2013, 04:04 PM	#23
ChamMTB Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: London Posts: 39 Thanks: 3	You should see mine smoke, 1,600mls in and it still fills the street when you start it up and ride for at least the first ten minutes. It drinks oil. Almost the same level as the Desmo does. If I can find time to post the video on my iphone I will - that will stop all the "it's not a big deal" commentary from people who don't have the issue!

January 22nd, 2013, 04:14 PM	#24
nyandy Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Newburgh, NY Posts: 240 Thanks: 42	5 k and change on the clock on my early 12 base and still smoke when it 1st starts. like chammtb above, mine likes to consume as well. if they aren't going to admit the issue, sure would like an easier way to view the sight glass at least.

January 22nd, 2013, 05:27 PM	#25
1199 dreamer Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Connecticut Posts: 95 Thanks: 17 I Ride: 2000 ZX9R, 2013 1199S in a crate waiting for me.	Maybe I shouldn't consider the 2012 Tri....:0

January 30th, 2013, 03:15 PM	#30
jyli19 Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: So-Cal Posts: 352 Thanks: 12	If your bike still smokes after few hundreds, does that mean the bike wasn't burn in correctly, the seal aren't set as they should. Maybe it's more apparent in colder climates. Mine stopped smoking at start up around the 100 mile mark. Never seen smoke since.

January 30th, 2013, 03:59 PM	#31
OzStriker Member Joined: Oct 2012 From: Perth, Australia Posts: 61 Thanks: 6 I Ride: Ducati Streetfighter	Brand new 2013 for me with a few hundred kays, no hint of smoke.