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| Senior Member Joined: Feb 2012 From: Bristol uk Posts: 148 Thanks: 2 I Ride: 1199 S....woohooo | Tyre issues
Having done my first Track Day on the Panigale recently at Silverstone my rear tyre is shagged !!. I have done track days on my previous bikes..RSV4 & S1000rr with no issues. Just wondering if its suspension set up ?? or something else ?? This was on the National circuit, for those that don't know this is half the circuit which is predominantly right handed as you can see. |
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: UK Posts: 419 Thanks: 39 I Ride: Panigale S |
Too me I would say that is poor suspension set up. You should be looking at something akin to orange peel in terms of texture.
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| Senior Member Joined: May 2012 From: ga Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 154 |
what pressures are you running? Cold tire pressure starting point given to me was 27 rear 29 front, it looks the tread looks like your pressure's too high as I had the exact same pattern with too much pressure, that said, the following track day my suspension was properly set up and the tearing went away. |
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| Senior Member Joined: Jan 2012 From: The Med Posts: 1,612 Thanks: 76 I Ride: 1199 Tric |
Could try not leaning quite so much - the centre tread looks fine |
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: UK Posts: 419 Thanks: 39 I Ride: Panigale S | Quote:
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| Senior Member Joined: Dec 2011 From: Canada Posts: 477 Thanks: 47 I Ride: 1199 Base, '12 Arctic Cat F800SP |
Cold shredding or too much air....or maybe a mixture of both. Chuck those SP's for an SC1 up front and an SC2 on the rear, 28 PSI front and 25 (hot) rear and you'll be fine. |
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| Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 212 Thanks: 56 I Ride: '12 Ducati 1199 Panigale, '95 Ducati 900 SS/SP, '67 Aermacchi/HD Sprint that thinks it's a CRTT |
There's no tearing there. Tearing extends down into the carcass of the tire. What is shown in the picture is purely on the surface of the tire. It's a normal eglomeration of shed rubber on the tire's surface. If you get a tire to operating temp and it doesn't shed rubber it goes greasy and you fall down. The pilling on the edge is very normal. Looks to me like you got the tire hot at a track day. |
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| Junior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Los Angeles Posts: 29 Thanks: 3 I Ride: 1199 & CBR |
My suspension guy told me Pirelli's are soft and need to run higher pressures. 36 front 38 rear hot... start 32/32 cold
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| Senior Member Joined: Jul 2012 From: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 212 Thanks: 56 I Ride: '12 Ducati 1199 Panigale, '95 Ducati 900 SS/SP, '67 Aermacchi/HD Sprint that thinks it's a CRTT |
Soft doesn't mean running at higher pressures. Many Dunlop soft compound slicks run less than 20 psi cold.
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| Senior Member Joined: Jun 2012 From: Belgium Posts: 125 Thanks: 1 | Quote:
A softer tire has has more grip then a harder tire but it will wear faster. I think what he tries to tell you is that a soft compound compensates for the grip you lose when puting more pressure into the tire. | |
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| Senior Member Joined: Apr 2012 From: Wallasey UK Posts: 306 Thanks: 9 | Quote:
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| Senior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: georgia Posts: 115 Thanks: 18 I Ride: 1199S, F1098, R6, R1 |
I'd say check pressures. To me it looks like a hot tear vs cold tear. I had the same issue on my R6. My tire pressure was 2-3 PSI low coming off the tire warmers. Tires gained too much pressure due to excessive contact patch. I added 2 PSI and the wear pattern improved but tires were shagged already. You have got to watch the pressures during the day. Make sure you are not getting excessive pressure gain when you come in off your session. I run Pirellis on all my race bikes and street bikes. I get much longer life out of the slicks vs the DOT race tires. Especially the SC2 front tires. |
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| Junior Member Joined: Aug 2012 From: Dardenne Prairie, MO Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 I Ride: 199 Panigale |
Looks like you may have two issues. rebound setting, and tire temp. Since the major tearing is in a strip away from the center and edge of the tire on both sides, that indicates a rebound issue. Looks like the tire is rebounding to fast and is skipping off the track when leaned over. You may not even feel this since it is just unloading the tire and not actually leaving the track surface. The loading and unloading is causing the tearing. Add some rebound to fix that, then run a few laps which should clean up the tire some. Then you can work on the pressure. You may not have a temp/pressure issue, but you won't know that until you clean the tearing up. I set the SP's at 27 rear,29 front cold, then put the warmers on and never mess with the pressure for the rest of the day. I got 3 race days out of the stock SP's before pitching them, but riding styles vary so one mans settings may not work for you.
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